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Old 01-08-2013, 05:26 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Make no mistake. The ultimate goal of these ideologues is to disarm America.

"Never let a crisis go to waste," says Rahm Emanuel. The Sandy Hook Elementary shooting is being used to highlight a perceived "crisis," and leftist extremists hope this will provide the accelerant they need to finally and decisively disarm the American people.

Senator Diane Feinstein along with her cohorts, Mayor Bloomberg, and Barack Obama (with Joe Biden as point man) has renewed her assault on law abiding Americans right to self defense, a right which is enshrined in the Second Amendment of the Constitution. Their goal is to move quickly, while the Sandy Hook incident is fresh in the minds of Americans, who are at such times, when emotions run high, more willing to abandon reasoned debate, which is a hallmark of of Liberty, self government, and it's preservation, in favor of the tyrannical tactics of despots eager to seize control of the populace.

"[L]egitimate governments comprised of [sic] co-equal branches, or of deliberative bodies, are somewhat limited in their power to act precipitately. And that limit is precisely the source of their legitimacy," writes Daren Jonescu in his recent article, Articles: Obama's Disarming Haste.

"[A] free nation thinks before it acts in its own best interests, even in a genuine crisis, while an unfree nation is dragged into unthinking action against its own interests, in response to an illusory crisis .— "Obama's Disarming Haste"

What Democrats like Diane Feinstein, Barack Obama, and others, wish to avoid, is debate. They understand that in the process of debate over the Second Amendment, they lose, because in debate, reason begins to supersede emotion, and the Liberty of a free people is dependent upon reasoned debate, not acting on emotions, in the moment.

This quote illustrates the point:
"As we get involved in these ad nauseam debates over the Second Amendment, our children are still at risk," said Jon Adler, national president of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association. "Debating is not the action verb we need to protect our children."

The above is illustrative of the a typical leftist tactic, shift the focus to something that people will have an emotional attachment to, "the children." But statements such as this warn of something more sinister. These people are willing to give up Liberty (your Liberty) for the sake of "the children."

This is a deception. Surely, what is better for "the children" would be the preservation of their Liberty, just as Liberty has been passed down through generations to us. This shows that the left is more interested in power.

Deception is a tool the left uses to bolster their standing in the eyes of an uninformed citizenry. Feinstein became involved with the Million Mom March, which was shut down because of illegal political activity. But, the movement was deceptively claiming that twelve "children" per day were killed as the result of gun violence (or accident). You can read more here: Articles: Dianne Feinstein, Dishonest Fundraising, and Gun Control. Feinstein willingly participated in promulgating this lie, and is once again engaged in such deception.

We must not let the gun-control advocates frame the debate. We cannot allow the argument to be about guns. It is about the right of the people to be secure in their person, and property. It is about Liberty, and it's preservation. The facts are in our favor. Guns are not the problem.

It is plainly clear that had at least one teacher at Sandy Hook Elementary been armed, many, if not all lives would have been saved. Therefore, the issue is not the availability of guns, but the foolishness of "gun free zones" and the danger to the Liberty of a free people that the gun-control advocates present.
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Old 01-08-2013, 05:34 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Gun owners should all agree to never register and never vote to convict if asked to serve on a jury.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:34 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Gun owners should all agree to never register and never vote to convict if asked to serve on a jury.
What would never voting to convict (a killer) have to do with this issue? It would serve no purpose, and would certainly not serve the public interest, nor would it be right. It is the duty of any citizen selected to serve on a jury to render a verdict based on the facts and evidence presented in a case. It has nothing to do with any opinion they may have on guns, gun control, or the Second Amendment.

Or, are you suggesting that because gun owners support the Second Amendment, they are too biased to render a just verdict?

I would simply suggest to you that you do some study of the Constitution to discover why the Founders thought it important to protect the right of an individual to self-defense. As I have said elsewhere, the Second Amendment does not grant the right to bear arms; rather, it protects a right that the Founders believed was as unalienable as the right to life.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:39 AM
 
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Obama made zero attempts towards gun control in the last 4 years, looks like he's taking his sweet time in confiscating all the guns.

At this rate he'll confiscate one hand gun each year.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:50 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Obama made zero attempts towards gun control in the last 4 years, looks like he's taking his sweet time in confiscating all the guns.

At this rate he'll confiscate one hand gun each year.
Obviously, you are not up to speed on current news if you are unaware of Obama's recent call for gun control recommendations, or Diane Feinstein's renewed call for a ban.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:53 AM
 
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Little by little, that's all they want....

BTW, can anyone get me a 20oz cup of soda in New York....I'm awful thirsty..Just saying....
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:56 AM
 
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Obviously, you are not up to speed on current news if you are unaware of Obama's recent call for gun control recommendations, or Diane Feinstein's renewed call for a ban.
Feinstein and Obama are two different people.

What legislation has Obama proposed????
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Old 01-08-2013, 11:50 AM
 
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Feinstein and Obama are two different people.

What legislation has Obama proposed????
Everyone knows where obama stands on gun control, because you not to notice, is not my problem...


Barack Obama on Gun Control
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Old 01-08-2013, 03:07 PM
 
Location: in my imagination
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Originally Posted by nononsenseguy View Post
Make no mistake. The ultimate goal of these ideologues is to disarm America.

"Never let a crisis go to waste," says Rahm Emanuel. The Sandy Hook Elementary shooting is being used to highlight a perceived "crisis," and leftist extremists hope this will provide the accelerant they need to finally and decisively disarm the American people.

Senator Diane Feinstein along with her cohorts, Mayor Bloomberg, and Barack Obama (with Joe Biden as point man) has renewed her assault on law abiding Americans right to self defense, a right which is enshrined in the Second Amendment of the Constitution. Their goal is to move quickly, while the Sandy Hook incident is fresh in the minds of Americans, who are at such times, when emotions run high, more willing to abandon reasoned debate, which is a hallmark of of Liberty, self government, and it's preservation, in favor of the tyrannical tactics of despots eager to seize control of the populace.

"[L]egitimate governments comprised of [sic] co-equal branches, or of deliberative bodies, are somewhat limited in their power to act precipitately. And that limit is precisely the source of their legitimacy," writes Daren Jonescu in his recent article, Articles: Obama's Disarming Haste.

"[A] free nation thinks before it acts in its own best interests, even in a genuine crisis, while an unfree nation is dragged into unthinking action against its own interests, in response to an illusory crisis .— "Obama's Disarming Haste"

What Democrats like Diane Feinstein, Barack Obama, and others, wish to avoid, is debate. They understand that in the process of debate over the Second Amendment, they lose, because in debate, reason begins to supersede emotion, and the Liberty of a free people is dependent upon reasoned debate, not acting on emotions, in the moment.

This quote illustrates the point:
"As we get involved in these ad nauseam debates over the Second Amendment, our children are still at risk," said Jon Adler, national president of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association. "Debating is not the action verb we need to protect our children."

The above is illustrative of the a typical leftist tactic, shift the focus to something that people will have an emotional attachment to, "the children." But statements such as this warn of something more sinister. These people are willing to give up Liberty (your Liberty) for the sake of "the children."

This is a deception. Surely, what is better for "the children" would be the preservation of their Liberty, just as Liberty has been passed down through generations to us. This shows that the left is more interested in power.

Deception is a tool the left uses to bolster their standing in the eyes of an uninformed citizenry. Feinstein became involved with the Million Mom March, which was shut down because of illegal political activity. But, the movement was deceptively claiming that twelve "children" per day were killed as the result of gun violence (or accident). You can read more here: Articles: Dianne Feinstein, Dishonest Fundraising, and Gun Control. Feinstein willingly participated in promulgating this lie, and is once again engaged in such deception.

We must not let the gun-control advocates frame the debate. We cannot allow the argument to be about guns. It is about the right of the people to be secure in their person, and property. It is about Liberty, and it's preservation. The facts are in our favor. Guns are not the problem.

It is plainly clear that had at least one teacher at Sandy Hook Elementary been armed, many, if not all lives would have been saved. Therefore, the issue is not the availability of guns, but the foolishness of "gun free zones" and the danger to the Liberty of a free people that the gun-control advocates present.
Good post
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Old 01-08-2013, 03:09 PM
 
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Everyone knows where obama stands on gun control, because you not to notice, is not my problem...


Barack Obama on Gun Control
What anti-gun laws has President Obama passed or proposed? He's had 4 years to do it. Surely you can come up one, just one.
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