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Old 01-08-2013, 08:29 AM
 
Location: San Diego California
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The largest problem facing the US today is degradation of U.S. cities that the rest of the world used to look at in envy, but are now being transformed into gang-infested hellholes with skyrocketing crime rates. Cities such as Chicago, Detroit, Camden, East St. Louis, New Orleans and Oakland.

To a lesser extent you will find the same problem in most other US cities, and the direction they are going can be assessed by what has already happened in places like Detroit.
The decimation of America's industrial base and the resulting economic devastation has ensured that not only will this trend continue, but it will continue to get worse.

At the same time municipal budget restraints have made police department impotent to do anything about the growing crime rates, and they have instead turned to falsifying crime reports to lower statistics for political purpose.

Americas problem isn’t guns; it’s gangs. Gun control efforts in Chicago or any other major city are doomed because gangs represent organized crime networks which stretch down to Mexico, and trying to cut off their gun supply will be as effective as trying to cut off their drug supply.
Gun control can and will only accomplish one thing, and that is to remove the ability of law abiding citizens to protect themselves.


This is not a time to take away the ability of law-abiding American families to defend themselves. Instead, people need to put even more emphasis on self-defense as police forces all over the country are cut back.

Just recently, the city attorney of San Bernardino, California told citizens living there to “lock their doors and load their guns” because the police force in that city is being cut back again.

And that is good advice. As the economy continues to decline and as millions more Americans fall into poverty, the violence is going to get even worse.

People have little choice, be a criminal or be poor.

The media will continue to obscure the real issue by hyping isolated incidences that while tragic are statistically insignificant to the population as a whole, while at the same time ignoring any incident in where a citizen uses a firearm to successfully defend themself. They will continue to minimize the gang problem and the causes behind it.

Bottom line is the chances of you ever being the victim of a mass shooting are about as remote as winning the lottery. The chances of your city or neighborhood suffering increasingly from crime and violence because of a faltering economy are very real indeed.
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Old 01-08-2013, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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There is only one thing sillier than gun control. Its those funny flesh wounds from gun shots. I recommend all gun enthusiasts shoot themselves and experience a flesh wound. WhooHoo!!!
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:33 AM
 
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California =/ America

Crime is at or near an all time low, in spite of a declining economy. Maybe guns are deterring more people from committing crime or maybe government programs have helped deter crime, but there isn't any indication that it is increasing. Didn't the US just find an enormous oil deposit here, one of the largest ever found?

I do agree with you that America's problem is gangs, you take those stats out and we are on par with Europe.
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Old 01-08-2013, 11:46 AM
 
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California =/ America

Crime is at or near an all time low, in spite of a declining economy. Maybe guns are deterring more people from committing crime or maybe government programs have helped deter crime, but there isn't any indication that it is increasing. Didn't the US just find an enormous oil deposit here, one of the largest ever found?

I do agree with you that America's problem is gangs, you take those stats out and we are on par with Europe.
There are so many people armed against the Government that individual criminals are scared s_h_i_t_less!

When the public is armed for bear, foxes hide.
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Old 01-08-2013, 12:03 PM
 
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Americas problem isn’t guns; it’s gangs. Gun control efforts in Chicago or any other major city are doomed because gangs represent organized crime networks which stretch down to Mexico, and trying to cut off their gun supply will be as effective as trying to cut off their drug supply.
Gun control can and will only accomplish one thing, and that is to remove the ability of law abiding citizens to protect themselves.
That's a huge hole in the logic behind gun control. If someone wants a gun, legally or not, they can get one. Even today over 1/3 of guns involved in crimes were bought on the black market, from a drug dealer, or stolen. Criminalizing guns or certain types of guns won't make them go away; it will only:

1.) Keep law-abiding citizens from owning guns.
2.) Drive the price of black market guns higher, which will inspire more crime as cartels evolve or grow to profit from this new opportunity.
3.) Inconvenience anyone who wants to acquire a gun.

We tried to ban alcohol at one time and it gave rise to the mafia. Crime flourishes around illegal products or activities. Why would it be any different with weapons?

The whole issue seems to center on the how, not the why of gun violence. If we want to prevent these shootings from happening, we should examine why they're carried out. Nearly every mass shooting has occurred in a gun-free zone by a mentally-disturbed individual on antidepressants. Investment into improving our mental health screening and treatment procedures is a much more sensible solution to the problem, but the knee-jerk reaction is always to blame the gun, not the shooter.
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Old 01-08-2013, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Clear Lake Area
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This is not a time to take away the ability of law-abiding American families to defend themselves.
An assault weapon and high capacity magazine ban will not prevent law abiding citizens from obtaining guns for personal protection... same goes for requiring a background check on all gun purchases.
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:14 PM
 
Location: South Dakota
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That's a huge hole in the logic behind gun control. If someone wants a gun, legally or not, they can get one. Even today over 1/3 of guns involved in crimes were bought on the black market, from a drug dealer, or stolen. Criminalizing guns or certain types of guns won't make them go away; it will only:

1.) Keep law-abiding citizens from owning guns.
2.) Drive the price of black market guns higher, which will inspire more crime as cartels evolve or grow to profit from this new opportunity.
3.) Inconvenience anyone who wants to acquire a gun.

We tried to ban alcohol at one time and it gave rise to the mafia. Crime flourishes around illegal products or activities. Why would it be any different with weapons?

The whole issue seems to center on the how, not the why of gun violence. If we want to prevent these shootings from happening, we should examine why they're carried out. Nearly every mass shooting has occurred in a gun-free zone by a mentally-disturbed individual on antidepressants. Investment into improving our mental health screening and treatment procedures is a much more sensible solution to the problem, but the knee-jerk reaction is always to blame the gun, not the shooter.
They need to hang em high, there was less gun violence in "The Wild West" that there is in liberal paradises like Chicago...
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:19 PM
 
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Gun control advocates are spinning them selfs into butter to try to keep this issue alive long enough to capitalize on the emotion. Its dying out and the news cycle is starting to only have maybe one small piece each night and its the same old crap. The closer we get to the fiscal cliff that was kicked down the road the more this issues is going bye bye. The house is not going to pass any new gun laws so its going to have to be what Obama thinks he can do by EO unilaterally.
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:21 PM
 
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An assault weapon and high capacity magazine ban will not prevent law abiding citizens from obtaining guns for personal protection... same goes for requiring a background check on all gun purchases.
Considering the fact that criminals prefer handguns I don't see how banning rifles will have an impact on anyone, but hunters and sport shooters.
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:23 PM
 
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An assault weapon and high capacity magazine ban will not prevent law abiding citizens from obtaining guns for personal protection... same goes for requiring a background check on all gun purchases.
It may not keep guns from being available but it can do a lot to restrict semi autos if they pass a law that has not loop holes. If they do pass a ban all semi autos and mags over 10 rounds and do a turn in it could cause a lot of problems. I don't see it but its still a possibility if its introduced. But just as the house passing a repeal of the affordable health care act was symbolic so too will be any bill introduced to ban semi autos, but how about a mag ban? Its possible. Not probable but possible.
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