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Old 01-09-2013, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Many employers give employees access to group healthcare. Not all employers subsidise the cost. Most employers expect employees to pick up a portion of the costs.

Can anyone point me to the part of the ACT that requires employers to pick up the cost of group healthcare insurance?
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Oh yeah, except the pesky fact that Obamacare does not go into effect until 2014.
Oh yeah..the IRS has a 12 month lookback to determine full time vs part time status.
That means under 30 hours has to be implemented NOW.
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:29 AM
 
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Oh yeah..the IRS has a 12 month lookback to determine full time vs part time status.
That means under 30 hours has to be implemented NOW.

Here's another reality:


Fast food and restaurant workers don't typically EVER get over 30 hours a week in large companies anyway, because 30 hours is usually the threshold for "full time" vs "part time" that entitles someone to get benefits.

In major retail as well, there will usually only be a handful of employees at full time. This has been happening long before Obamacare.

If you're employing 40 hour a week people at minimum wage, your business model is already creating wards of the state.
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Here's another reality:


Fast food and restaurant workers don't typically EVER get over 30 hours a week in large companies anyway, because 30 hours is usually the threshold for "full time" vs "part time" that entitles someone to get benefits.

In major retail as well, there will usually only be a handful of employees at full time. This has been happening long before Obamacare.

If you're employing 40 hour a week people at minimum wage, your business model is already creating wards of the state.
It's rather common in my neck of the woods for fast food and restaurant employers to require their non management/corporate part time staff to work split shifts, breakfast and lunch or lunch and dinner. Employees are not paid for the gap between the two shifts.
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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Oh yeah..the IRS has a 12 month lookback to determine full time vs part time status.
That means under 30 hours has to be implemented NOW.
Thank you, we just debated this a week or so ago and for those interested type in Kroger in search. The look back makes sense how else would the gvt know how many employees you have over 30 hours a week. Logic would tell you that there would be a starting point and it is 2013. How else would the gvt compile the stats to make a determination?
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Currently I physically reside on the 3rd planet from the sun
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Anyone who thinks any fast food enterprise employs a meaningful number of non-corporate full time people, with or without Healthcare, is out of touch with reality. Crew is scheduled to service peak business hours.
You make such interesting statements.

A single location franchise may not employ a meaningful number of employees, but any business owner with 2 or more will most definitely be impacted by Obamacare. And those such as Jimmy Johns owner who makes a point of doing right by his employees and offering full time hours with benefits has already stated he will cut back hours cancelling benefits in order to survive the debilitating effect of Obamacare.

If you think those 4 million who are employed by the fast food industry will not be impacted you are out of touch with reality. How about if we add sit-down family dining restaurants - then what do the numbers look like?
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:47 AM
 
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Oh yeah, except the pesky fact that Obamacare does not go into effect until 2014.
It's based on the previous employment record so when it does go into effect they will look back X amount of months to determine where the employee falls.
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Here's another reality:


Fast food and restaurant workers don't typically EVER get over 30 hours a week in large companies anyway, because 30 hours is usually the threshold for "full time" vs "part time" that entitles someone to get benefits.

In major retail as well, there will usually only be a handful of employees at full time. This has been happening long before Obamacare.

If you're employing 40 hour a week people at minimum wage, your business model is already creating wards of the state.
Newsflash..until the IRS ruling it was up to each company to define what constituted the hours that turned part time into full time. The average was 34 hours. The BLS tracks part time as 1-34 hours as part time.

That will change as part time becomes 1-29 and full time becomes above 30.

These people who worked 30-39 hours as part time will either get bumped to full time or their hours will get cut to 29.

According to the BLS 1 million full time jobs in retail have been replaced with 500,000 part time jobs in the past 6 years.

The BLS has numerous charts and details. But you know better than the BLS I assume.
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Old 01-09-2013, 12:31 PM
 
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Newsflash..until the IRS ruling it was up to each company to define what constituted the hours that turned part time into full time. The average was 34 hours. The BLS tracks part time as 1-34 hours as part time.

That will change as part time becomes 1-29 and full time becomes above 30.

These people who worked 30-39 hours as part time will either get bumped to full time or their hours will get cut to 29.

According to the BLS 1 million full time jobs in retail have been replaced with 500,000 part time jobs in the past 6 years.

The BLS has numerous charts and details. But you know better than the BLS I assume.

The BLS is not company policy. You DO know that the BLS' definition is for STATISTICAL purposes only, and not any legal definition that carries any weight whatsoever?

In most major retail and restaurant outfits, the threshold of eligibility for participation in benefits programs is often 30 hours.



For example, in your OWN STATE, the administrative rule governing health benefits lists an employee as "full time" at THIRTY HOURS:

http://info.sos.state.tx.us/pls/pub/readtac$ext.TacPage?sl=R&app=9&p_dir=&p_rloc=&p_tl oc=&p_ploc=&pg=1&p_tac=&ti=28&pt=1&ch=26&rl=4

and

Part-Time / Full-Time Status
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Old 01-09-2013, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Yes, it is happening in a big way now. Businesses are slashing worker hours to avoid having to pay ridiculous obamacare requirements.

And who loses? Why the same losers we have every time the government says they are doing something to help people.

Remember that last minimum wage increase, in 3 steps foisted on us by the democrats, attached to a troop funding bill? We see how well that went, skyrocketing unemployment, hours cut, prices going up.. Yup, helped out a lot..

Now -

Nebraska Wendy's franchisee slashes worker hours to sidestep ObamaCare | Fox News


Hate to break it to you but, the election is over. Obama won!
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