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Old 01-11-2013, 01:06 PM
 
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When all the money runs out
WHAT? USA is not your family, it (bankers) can create avalanches of money at will.
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Old 01-11-2013, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Gettysburg, PA
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It's seems like people in this country have a very strong dislike for programs such as welfare, section 8, unemployment security, food stamps, affirmative action, amnesty for illegals and other similar programs. These programs were created at a time when many in America were struggling to get by, however many people claim that these same programs that were established to help Americans might be causing them more harm than good. For instance, terms such as welfare queen, ghetto people, reverse racism, and believing people are using the system for their own personal gain are always brought up when these programs are mentioned. Do you think that the media unfairly portrays people on these programs as moochers? Please feel free to share your views on the subject.

I don't necessarily hate government aid programs, I just believe that the answer for when there isn't enough funds for them is to raise taxes. As part of the middle class, I feel I pay enough taxes. The solution needs to be to figure out why you don't have enough and rebudget; at least, that's what the solution should be so that people like me aren't stuck in a state of near socialism. It just disgusts me to the point of revulsion that there is even a thought that taxes should be raised, and I suppose in that way, government aid programs leaves me with a sour taste.

I also don't understand that people get so disgusted by regular welfare, but they don't say a word about corporate welfare. In my opinion, even though the welfare program is abused, I would rather give my money to people who don't have any, and don't have any chance of having any, than to people who are already making fistfuls of money. The avarice in this country is disgusting, is the ruin of it, and will be its downfall.

[This is kind of going off the topic, but I will say that I do not like how there is a cap on how much you contribute to social security. I didn't even realize there was a cap until my paycheck was so much larger than the previous one-- I was very concerned until I found out what had happened. It is just not right at all--I understand the reasoning behind it, in that the people who are going to need it should be the only ones contributing to it, but I do not agree with that reasoning. These people that make above the social security cap (like me) didn't get to where they are without the help of the little people; and if they think they did, then they're living in a delusional state. I don't touch those extra funds I get; they feel like blood money to me. I give it away to charity].
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Old 01-11-2013, 09:30 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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Since it's unfair and inaccurate to paint everyone with the same brush, we must admit that there are desperate and destitute people who are in that position through no fault of their own and there are others who are in fact lazy moochers who are gaming the system in order to live on the taxpayer's dime. It is because of the latter group that so many of us resent the welfare system. It irks me that I am paying for my own food, housing, transportation, clothing, etc., etc., and in addition I am paying for the food, housing, transportation, clothing, etc., etc., of other people. I believe government, in general, does a rather poor job of distinguishing between the deserving and the undeserving.

The long-term problem is that the net takers have one vote each in our system, just as the net givers have one vote each. As the group of net takers grows and grows, they can just vote themselves more and more benefits; eventually this will sink our ship. I never thought I would see any merit in the system of the founding fathers of this nation which restricted the franchise to people with a stake in the well-being of the nation as a whole, but I have reluctantly come to that view. Of course the restrictions of the franchise went beyond what can be justified in this day and age; I am just saying that when all adults except felons have a vote, there are extremely serious disadvantages to the long-term well-being of us all.

How about that those who are on the other end (wealthy) have the means through media and access to politicans to alter the perception of the masses against those who are in need and are not "working the system"? Why is it at the same time that corperate welfare not mention which far exceeds anything that the public at large gets?
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:04 AM
 
Location: Not where you ever lived
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Ask me 20 year from now.


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I'm not entirely sure I understand what you're complaining about, Linicx.

What do you want us - the 'we' who are not lobbyists and aren't paid the odd few bucks for our services by congressmen to do?

Ben Dover? (Or was that the aide who helped the Congressman a bit further South of here?)

Aren't you one of the intelligent people who can tell the plonkers what to do? (I suspect you probably are, but when somebody else will help.)

There are loads of leaders - but they only get noticed when they stand up and get counted.

It's your turn.
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Old 01-12-2013, 05:08 AM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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To the OP,

"Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime."

Our problem is Scale. Our federal govt. was never meant to do the things it does. SS, Medicare/Medicaid, subsistence and unemployment are all jobs of the community or state.

Nationalism, Croynism, & Centralization of powers are systems with high levels of corruption by the progenitors and by the receivers.

Can the hungry get fed in China, yes. Do they work for it, yes.

Are the hungry fed on N. Korea, yes. Do they work for it, yes.

The world view of Americans is that we are fat, greedy, lazy and apathetic. We have homeless, we have medically needy and we just don't care.

Where in hybrid socialism (Europe), everyone has a place. You are a cog in a big wheel.

The difference is Education. In Europe, a classical Liberal Arts Education is the norm. Learning is very disciplined and having a "Global View" is taught. With this type of Education you are less likely to have "bumps on a log". Being lazy is a choice and if your caught, someone calls you out.

If you call someone out for being Lazy in America, you are a hater. Hince the reason for your thread.

You can't have a government whose sole intent is the creation of and the protection of power. That is where we are. Our government has bought favor from the poor and uneducated, our government pays or creates systems to pay for cronyism in order to enrich themselves and to keep the sheep in line.

When a few pound the table and point out this corruption, the retaliation is class warfare. We must hate the poor because we don't believe our federal govt. is capable of managing food stamps, social security or welfare.

It's a downward spiral.

The answer lies in our Constitution. Our government was never meant to be this big and powerful. The states should take care of their own.
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Old 01-12-2013, 05:18 AM
 
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It's seems like people in this country have a very strong dislike for programs such as welfare, section 8, unemployment security, food stamps, affirmative action, amnesty for illegals and other similar programs. These programs were created at a time when many in America were struggling to get by, however many people claim that these same programs that were established to help Americans might be causing them more harm than good. For instance, terms such as welfare queen, ghetto people, reverse racism, and believing people are using the system for their own personal gain are always brought up when these programs are mentioned. Do you think that the media unfairly portrays people on these programs as moochers? Please feel free to share your views on the subject.
They simply don't help people.
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Old 01-12-2013, 06:59 AM
 
Location: At the corner of happy and free
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To the OP,

"Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime.
That sums it up perfectly.
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Old 01-12-2013, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Northern CA
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It comes down to fiscal discipline, the gov't doesn't know the definition, because it's not their money.
They could not be more inefficient.
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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It comes down to fiscal discipline, the gov't doesn't know the definition, because it's not their money.
They could not be more inefficient.
Well said, with the exception that WE THE PEOPLE continue to put up with it.

B^tchIng & Moaning only goes so far.

Actions speak louder than words. When people finally decide we are not being represented, things will change very very fast.

For now, line up and buy your new gadget, collect your UE or EBT and quietly allow yourself to be taxed to death while being a good consumer!
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:06 AM
 
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BTW, you could do something really productive and lucrative that would further unleash your fullest potential instead of typing panegyric of work for the sake of work. Imagine if you could combine bettering yourself with your morning bowel movement, shower and coffee. Family, children, those are drags on your potential. There is plenty of room for your improvement. Yet, you anointed yourself as a judge of who is working at their fullest potential. Work is work. Most of us wouldn't work for a single hour in our lines of work if not for a threat of homelessness & hunger. As cut throat and disloyal employment world become, there is no virtue in working for free even for single minute, there will not be a pat on the back at the end. It's an impersonal jungle not a village commune. I put hours and hours of free work, a good sized hemorrhoid will be my major reward.
What?
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