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The 2nd Amendment in particular is under scrutiny because of the vocal protestations of gun advocates who have been invoking it in response to the NATURAL reaction of Americans to the shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary. I didn't say anything about the rest of the Constitution. Doubtless there are other proviso's in there that should be revisited. One damn thing at a time, please. Right now, the issue is guns. Not all guns, only assault rifles and/or high capacity ammunition clips. It is difficult to imagine the Framers protecting these devices in the 2nd Amendment since they were only invented 60 years ago, if that.
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Natural my ass. The natural reaction is shock, horror, sympathy for the victims, appreciation for one's own children and anger at the perpetrator for doing something so terrible in the first place.
The Mass Media on the other hand is doing it's damndest to manipulate the anger away from the Perpetrator and at an inanimate object instead.
Now "assault rifles" must be banned or the world is gonna end even though the lawmakers let the ban go away because it was clear from REAL, HARD STATISTICS that the ban did not serve to improve crime statistics IN ANY WAY.
My fellow Americans, you are being jerked around by somebody with an agenda.
If some Democrats aren't trying to lynch the 2nd Amendment I have to wonder just what they do want. All here have heard about Feinstein's latest attempt to ban guns, altogether. Consider the fact that more than 75% of all handguns owned in this country today have magazines that exceed her 10 round maximum. If that doesn't call for a complete ban it gets her very close to what she said in 1995 when she tried to get it done. She did say, paraphrased, "If I could get 51 votes to ban them all I would certainly try for it." It is getting more and more obvious that Feinstein and Obama want guns banned.
I guess most people here do know that Hitler said, again paraphrased, "To enslave a people make sure you take away their gun."
I highly doubt she'll get anything close to this done, but if she did it would put her in the history books as accomplishing one of the most significant steps forward in the nation's history.
You are so right when you say one thing at a time. I am sure that progressives have finally found the very thing they can begin the destruction of our Constitution with. Just think about the threat by VP Biden the other day that they may use executive orders to eat away at the 2nd Amendment and then apply it to other parts of the Constitution that our good President has called attention to as parts he doesn't like.
You know Roy... for all your insistence that "progressives" have this blatant agenda to destroy America and **** on her ashes, who actually does the most harm when in power?? An objective look at administrations since.... say Reagan... I'm hanged if I can see that it was any Democrats aim to wreck America economically, militarily or socially. In just two terms in office Bush II put America's economy on Life Support. Romney threatened to bring America back to almost forgotten scenes of black market abortions performed with coat-hangers. Your rhetoric just doesn't wash.
People do some crazy things but a black man aspiring to the White House? That's deep dontcha know, homie could have got shot for his trouble. Dude must really LOVE America. If he hated America so bad, there are a thousand less personally hazardous ways to attempt to take her down than to try and do it by taking the controls himself. There's Congress for one thing... ... did you forget them? Oh... yah... you think they are all in on it. Hundreds of men and women from all walks of American life united in the goal to bring America to wrack and ruin... ... is it against TOS if I observe that it takes major league psychosis to imagine such crap.
Everyone who has an opinion that you don't share is not out to publicly burn the American flag. Concern about guns does not mean that next they will prevent you from voting. It might come to pass that an assault weapons ban proves not to be enough... ... I know, I know... but trust me, once they get the guns... all the guns... we'd be good. Scouts honor! You can trust Obama. Me, not so much. If I were running this show, I'd have it so all the virgins were brought to me before they go to anyone else. Some real old fashioned abuse of power is just what this country needs. Perspective is a valuable tool.
If some Democrats aren't trying to lynch the 2nd Amendment I have to wonder just what they do want. All here have heard about Feinstein's latest attempt to ban guns, altogether. Consider the fact that more than 75% of all handguns owned in this country today have magazines that exceed her 10 round maximum. If that doesn't call for a complete ban it gets her very close to what she said in 1995 when she tried to get it done. She did say, paraphrased, "If I could get 51 votes to ban them all I would certainly try for it." It is getting more and more obvious that Feinstein and Obama want guns banned.
I guess most people here do know that Hitler said, again paraphrased, "To enslave a people make sure you take away their gun."
The natural reaction is shock, horror, sympathy for the victims, appreciation for one's own children and anger at the perpetrator for doing something so terrible in the first place.
In other words, **** that don't mean nothin' in the long run. That's what got us to this point. When do you finally take the car keys from Mom? After the 4th fender bender? After her car goes through a store window? After she runs into a crowd of co-eds at the Community College killing thee of them? You won't have to bother, at that point, the State will take things over from you. Mom's keys, her car, her whole life, will belong to the State for probably the rest of her life. The ineffective children of America's moral compass have stood wringing their hands as mounting evidence of America's unfitness to drive displays itself. There was an intervention after James Brady was shot but Mom is VERY persistent. Now we've got dead children and Mother is still completely unrepentant. There is no reasoning with her when she's like this. If ever some American nutjob does something really bad to a sitting head of another Sovereign you will see stuff that will make Sandy just like what you said. Just another shooting that we should have simply wept over, dried our eyes and got back to the normal low roar of 100 gun fatalities daily. I'd rather not see my Mom humiliated in front of the world being dragged off in handcuffs. If I take her keys and drive her wherever she needs to go or arrange for her transportation needs, that is a much better oucome IMO, than if someone else does it.
The present gun issues facing the U.S. are as far removed from the 2nd Amendment as a Space Shuttle is from the Wright Brothers' biplane. I just don't get how invoking the protections of a document crafted Centuries ago can be called into relevance at this time. I don't know if there has ever been an Amendment to an Amendment but I do know that, over, the course of time in this land, that social and legal processes that were once protected by law, have been unprotected, because of enlightenment, or divination or whatever. The daily carnage in the streets and homes of America could only be ignored for so long.
We are to believe that you never owned a gun until the day of the Sandy shootings but now you do, and have also become a staunch Patriot and Constitution Scholar, willing to die for your belief in the right to bear arms... ... yah... right. Conservatives are dangerous precisely because theirs is a "do as I say, not as I do" kind of ideology. You've never even touched a gun but you want to argue that gun control is a bad idea. Why? Why do Conservatives who have never and will never ever get laid, care about contraception for sexually active women? Why do Conservatives who by dint of being white and Middle Class enjoy 3% unemployment, argue for the abolishment of unemployment insurance? I could go on, but you get my drift. Conservatives are a pox. A blight. America is fast becoming a China in the size of its underclass. Conservatives support and strenuously defend all the policies that keep America rock bottom in international rankings of competitiveness, happiness, health and longevity.
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Originally Posted by uggabugga
is the entire constitution and bill of rights now irrelevant and outdated, or just the parts you disagree with?
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The 2nd Amendment in particular is under scrutiny because of the vocal protestations of gun advocates who have been invoking it in response to the NATURAL reaction of Americans to the shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary. I didn't say anything about the rest of the Constitution. Doubtless there are other proviso's in there that should be revisited. One damn thing at a time, please. Right now, the issue is guns. Not all guns, only assault rifles and/or high capacity ammunition clips. It is difficult to imagine the Framers protecting these devices in the 2nd Amendment since they were only invented 60 years ago, if that.
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i really think you should address which parts of this 'centuries-old' document you think are now irrelevant and outdated, and which are not, seeing as that is the crux of your argument for throwing out the second amendment.
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