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Old 01-11-2013, 01:47 PM
 
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Do the Ninth and Tenth Amendments mean anything anymore?
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Old 01-11-2013, 01:50 PM
 
Location: NC
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Yes they do mean something and they are still relevant. They just are not that well understood, particularly the 10th amendment which many on the right seem to think means that anything they don't like is unconstitutional.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Yes they do mean something and they are still relevant. They just are not that well understood, particularly the 10th amendment which many on the right seem to think means that anything they don't like is unconstitutional.
And which many on the left want to ignore when pushing for Federal legislation.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:24 PM
 
Location: NC
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And which many on the left want to ignore when pushing for Federal legislation.
This is a perfect example of how people on the right don't understand stuff like the 10th amendment. Liberal congress people are not stupid. They understand the 10th amendment and know it means there needs to be a constitutional basis for legislation. Thus they use stuff like the commerce clause and the general welfare clause, and the tax and spend clause to justify legislation. If legislation is justified in all of its parts by one or more to the powers of congress there is no 10th amendment issue.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Currently I physically reside on the 3rd planet from the sun
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Yes they do mean something and they are still relevant. They just are not that well understood, particularly the 10th amendment which many on the right seem to think means that anything they don't like is unconstitutional.
So what do you think it means if not exactly what it simply states.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:28 PM
 
Location: NC
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So what do you think it means if not exactly what it simply states.
I think the 10th amendment means in order to do something the federal government must have a constitutional grant of power.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:33 PM
 
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This is a perfect example of how people on the right don't understand stuff like the 10th amendment. Liberal congress people are not stupid. They understand the 10th amendment and know it means there needs to be a constitutional basis for legislation. Thus they use stuff like the commerce clause and the general welfare clause, and the tax and spend clause to justify legislation. If legislation is justified in all of its parts by one or more to the powers of congress there is no 10th amendment issue.
This is a perfect example of how people on the left don't understand stuff like the 10th Amendment. Liberal congress people are not stupid though. They understand how to bypass things like the 10th Amendment by twisting a very explicit definition to curb federal power as some kind of pointless text noting they need to justify their power grabs by the federal government. They use stuff like the commerce clause and the general welfare clause, and the tax and spend clause to justify legislation which impinges State and individual rights and freedoms. If legislation adopts a mantle of false credibility to appease the feeble minded and timid they continue to convince the sleeping public that there is no issue with the 10th Amendment.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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This is a perfect example of how people on the left don't understand stuff like the 10th Amendment. Liberal congress people are not stupid though. They understand how to bypass things like the 10th Amendment by twisting a very explicit definition to curb federal power as some kind of pointless text noting they need to justify their power grabs by the federal government. They use stuff like the commerce clause and the general welfare clause, and the tax and spend clause to justify legislation which impinges State and individual rights and freedoms. If legislation adopts a mantle of false credibility to appease the feeble minded and timid they continue to convince the sleeping public that there is no issue with the 10th Amendment.
You're proving random's point. While avoiding your own understanding of the tenth amendment.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:37 PM
 
Location: NC
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This is a perfect example of how people on the left don't understand stuff like the 10th Amendment. Liberal congress people are not stupid though. They understand how to bypass things like the 10th Amendment by twisting a very explicit definition to curb federal power as some kind of pointless text noting they need to justify their power grabs by the federal government. They use stuff like the commerce clause and the general welfare clause, and the tax and spend clause to justify legislation which impinges State and individual rights and freedoms. If legislation adopts a mantle of false credibility to appease the feeble minded and timid they continue to convince the sleeping public that there is no issue with the 10th Amendment.
That is a matter of your personal opinion. When laws violate the 10th amendment because they go beyond the scope of their power they are struck down like in New York v. United States.

The fact is, in the Constitution the courts are charged with deciding Constitutional cases and if they uphold a action as being within the scope the Constitution it is ok and not against the 10th amendment.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:40 PM
 
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You're proving random's point. While avoiding your own understanding of the tenth amendment.
Exactly.
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