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So employing your reductionist logic, we should have no restrictions on anything, ever, because someone may always find a way to do something bad.
Why have any laws? Why not just revert back to the tree-swinging jungle days and live in glorious anarchy?
OK, fine... Lets ban pipe... pipe bombs can be made from it. Then lets ban gasoline, diesel and fertilizer.. Then we need to jump right on Ammonia and Bleach... A toxic gas can be made from it. We should also add manure to the list because methane is highly combustable and can be used to build a bomb. I could go on endlessly... The point is, we can not ban everything that has the potential to bring harm to large numbers of people. If a lunatic wants to commit a mass murder, he doesn't even need a gun.
I think the point of the entire conversation is the Gov can restrict your ownership rights and the tools of this debate-the guns any time they want and they have many times in history.
People are screaming bloody murder over the high capacity clips. That ship has sailed. Those things are going away and the present ones will be illegal to own. That will happen for sure.
I see strict regulations coming. Nothing new in history. If the gun advocates were smart they would get out front of this thing and help shape the new laws.
How many of the countries that have banned guns did so by destroying written parts of Constitutions? I think you know the number is zero since none of them had what we have. Most of the regulations you see coming will have to include Congressional acceptance and I really don't think that will happen as readily as you do.
I agree, our biggest mistake was not making run registration mandatory from the beginning.
Would the beginning be 1789? That was the beginning, I think. I am pretty sure that since Amendment 2 came so early in the list of rights it must have been wanted by most of the people in the states. You do know that the Bill of Rights was added to the Constitution before ratification could be completed, don't you?
Gun nuts are out in full force today. I like how when someone suggests banning high round clips, having better mental health checks and background checks at gun shows etc you all jump on the crazy train. All of a sudden Obama becomes Stalin, liberals are coming for your guns, talk of a revolution, you all are just hurting your own arguments by showing how nutty you all are.
We already do, there are some guns that are much harder to get a hold of than others.
Of course, you are saying that since there are controls the Feds should be able to add to them. Of course, you never seem to mention that it is the States who have put in most of the regulations.
The ruling, from what I remember, basically stated that since the weapon in question wasn't a valid military weapon (armies not generally using sawed off shotguns)
I need to point out a few corrections to this laughable misinformation.
The Miller case was tried in 1938. In the most recent major war of the era (World War I), short-barrelled shotguns were used in quantity by troops on both sides. They were referred to as "trench guns".
The statements by the govt agents to the Court, saying that Miller's short-barrelled shotgun was NOT a military-style weapon, were a flat lie.
Do you know how the govt got away with such demonstrable falsehoods in a court of law? Easy: Nobody showed up from the Defense, in the trial! Neither Miller nor his lawyer, were present. No one sent any papers of any kind to the Court, to defend his side. The ONLY people in the courtroom, were the government prosecution team, and the nine Justices.
Read their Opinion. It says throughout, that "since nobody has shown us otherwise in this trial, we rule that Miller's gun is not a military-style weapon, etc.", and similar language on other points.
Most interestingly, even with such a huge windfall in the laps of the anti-gun Prosecution team, the Court still ruled that military-style weapons, at least, WERE protected by the 2nd amendment! Today, that would include "Assault rifles"... including the ones that can fire continuously like a machine gun, like the M-16 and full-auto AK-47!
To nobody's surprise, the paranoid gun-haters today are very quiet about the Miller case. And now you know why.
Gun nuts are out in full force today. I like how when someone suggests banning high round clips, having better mental health checks and background checks at gun shows etc you all jump on the crazy train. All of a sudden Obama becomes Stalin, liberals are coming for your guns, talk of a revolution, you all are just hurting your own arguments by showing how nutty you all are.
Yeah and liberal loons are hard at it trying to control everyone elses life when they can't even control their own..
Would the beginning be 1789? That was the beginning, I think. I am pretty sure that since Amendment 2 came so early in the list of rights it must have been wanted by most of the people in the states. You do know that the Bill of Rights was added to the Constitution before ratification could be completed, don't you?
Yes I do know my US history, it is a topic that I find most interesting to study.
Of course, you are saying that since there are controls the Feds should be able to add to them. Of course, you never seem to mention that it is the States who have put in most of the regulations.
That is also true, States do have the right to add regulations to such things as weapons.
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