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Old 01-13-2013, 09:53 AM
 
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The aid Israel recieves is about 1% of Israel's budget. Israel doesn't build new settlements in a long time. Only illegal outposts built by idiots that get torn down by the Israeli government. Egypt Jordan and the Paletinians also receive aid, why do people only care when its Israel
I've never met anybody in this forum that is against aid to Israel, but not to other Arab countries.

But!

In terms of poverty, and standard of living, there is a case for humanitarian aid to poor Arab countries but not for wealthier countries in the Middle East including Israel.

In fact, aid to Egypt is likely a bi-product of aid to Israel as it gives them political cover for even more US tax dollars.
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Old 01-13-2013, 09:55 AM
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Israel is not a democracy. They routinely ban political parties and candidates for office because they have views the government does not like.

Anybody can learn this for themselves here.
Israel is the only real democracy in the area. One can learn this by looking at its political parties that hold seats in the Israeli Parliament and they don't all share the Israeli Government's views. (For example, Maki - the Israeli Communist party which holds 3 seats.)
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Old 01-13-2013, 09:57 AM
 
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I've never met anybody in this forum that is against aid to Israel, but not other Arab countries.

But!

In terms of poverty, and standard of living. There is a case for humanitarian aid to poor Arab countries.
Ill be honest with you the Arabs over there do not live anywhere as bad as you think. You would be very suprised that you cant tell an arab village from a jewish one. The aid isn't for humanitrian aid anyway they use it for the military. The truth is people on this forum generally only talk **** about Israel receiving aid. People might support cutting off all aid but they only talk about Israel. Israel's enemies recieve 7 times the aid Israel does.
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Old 01-13-2013, 09:58 AM
 
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Anybody can learn the unvarnished truth about Israel and the Israeli Lobby/Neocons from these Jewish American journalists twitter feeds.

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald

https://jp.twitter.com/MJayRosenberg

All three have praised Rand and Ron Paul for their statements regarding Israel, while not endorsing all their political beliefs.
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Old 01-13-2013, 09:58 AM
 
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If Israel's affairs are its own business, then why isn't Russia's and China's support of Iran their own business? He supports using our economic influences with the two nations to push them away from Iran, but doesn't that violate his libertarian values?

He supports sanctions against Iran, but if Israel's affairs should be free from our meddling, then why not Iran's domestic affairs?

Senator Paul is inconsistent in a most basic tenet of libertarianism, and it just shows how tough it is to be is pure and above politics.
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:02 AM
 
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Anybody can learn the unvarnished truth about Israel and the Israeli Lobby/Neocons from these Jewish American journalists twitter feeds.

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald

https://jp.twitter.com/MJayRosenberg
Very one sided blogs. I was in the Army and served every where from the west bank to Gaza. If you really think we are just going around killing and beating Arabs all day you are very wrong.
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:06 AM
 
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This started because of a peace treaty with egypt in 1977 AFTER Israel won 3 huge wars. Egypt also recieves money because of it.
Duh. So does the P.A..
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:08 AM
 
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Duh. So does the P.A..
You called it bologna when I said Israel hasnt been receiving all this Aid for 60 years. I was pointing out it started in 77. Thats not 60 years
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:17 AM
 
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You called it bologna when I said Israel hasnt been receiving all this Aid for 60 years. I was pointing out it started in 77. Thats not 60 years


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there hasn't been support for 60 years like there is today
This is the quote I responded to. No mention of starting anything in 1977 there. You call it support, support comes in many forms, not necessarily monetary. The UN SUPPORTED as did other MEMBER STATES OF THE UN, that Israel had it's own state, understand?
Support for a Israeli state was many years in the undertaking.
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The U.S. Congress however passed the Lodge-Fish resolution,[6] the first joint resolution stating its support for "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people" on 21 September 1922
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No one cares about Paul or the Jews.
You think? Well, ok, Paul should retire and take his sheep with him. He has no business meddling in ME affairs, he lacks the knowledge.
But there are plenty of people who support Israel, and JEWS.
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:24 AM
 
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This is the quote I responded to. No mention of starting anything in 1977 there. You call it support, support comes in many forms, not necessarily monetary. The UN SUPPORTED as did other MEMBER STATES OF THE UN, that Israel had it's own state, understand?
Support for a Israeli state was many years in the undertaking.
America had weapons embargo's against Israel for a long time as well. And no that's not the same thing as the aid and support they recieve today. You were wrong when you said Israel has been recieving support like it is today for 60 years.
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