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pretty sure the D.C. gun laws, like Chicago's, were overturned. they are on the books in the same way as the segregation laws are still on the books in Alabama.
Doesn't mean that guns are legally available to the lawful user, I'm not entirely up on all DC's gun laws, just because something isn't banned doesn't mean it's available. If something is legal, it doesn't mean that it's not de facto banned. If there are no FFL's in the DC area, because none can get a business permit, then it may be perfectly legal to own Title II weapons, but you can't get even regular legal firearms as a DC resident (since all current firearms in the DC area were illegally imported).
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that being added tot he fact that it neighboring Virginia and Maryland, you should be able to answer your own question.
Why is that an issue? If DC has a ban, it's DC's responsibility to enforce that ban, it doesn't matter if they're neighboring Somalia, and allocate resources to enforcing it. If they're not successfully enforcing that ban they need to figure out what they need to do to successfully enforce that ban without impacting their neighbors. DC have for 20 years been blaming everyone else for illegal guns getting into their state from Florida and Mississippi, to at least once I heard New Jersey (like fo sure). When is it time to say, you know guys, maybe the problem isn't those other states, maybe it's us. To use an analogy if you're in a room for the 20th time with other people and they're all pushed as far from you as possible, you can't complain at them for being antisocial when they're saying you have chronic BO and halitosis and have been saying the same thing since the first time you entered a room with them.
Gun checkpoints at all cities, now there is a reasonable solution, it couldn't be stricter gun laws in other states. Illegal searches of vehicles might be a violation of another amendment besides the 2nd.
Not all cities just at this point in time the ones with strong gun controls who are complaining about illegal guns flowing into them, while not seriously attempting to prevent the issue.
I said nothing about violating amendments, you don't need to enter the NYC area, or Chicago, or DC, there's no compulsion to go there, just provide a turn about a mile of so from the city limits, or state border. You would be voluntarily choosing to submit to a vehicle search when you enter those areas, that's not a violation of any right. If you have business there, well arrange it somewhere else or deal with it. It's not Virginia's or Maryland, or West Virginia, or Ohio, or anywhere else's issue that guns are moving into these places that are illegal there. There are consequences to laws being passed, those consequences in any rational society fall on the electorate who choose to accept and live by those laws. As far as I know Bloomberg wasn't elected in Ohio, or West Virginia, or Maryland, or Virginia.
Now if that's a problem for some people, they can leave and go elsewhere, the same applies to companies who have premises in those locations.
Look if you're serious about gun control, you're going to have to accept that there are certain things you're going to have to agree to, you expect gun owners to have to stop doing certain things they enjoy, well if you're serious, then you need to expect that you're going to have to stop or accept certain changes too. If you're not then are you serious? Is it all OK when the effect is someone else, that's known as NIMBY.
I posted this on another forum (Probably got deleted) But YES Gun Laws WORK!!!
Consider these two examples.
New York City passed a handgun ban in the 1920's. Obtaining a permit for a handgun in New York is nearly impossible, so much that most people just do not bother.
As a result, New York City has not had a murder or a violent crime in 90 YEARS!!! It remains a pleasant and safe city.
Likewise, the murder rate in Washington DC is zero because DC has the toughest handgun laws around. Police in DC pass time writing parking tickets and escorting politicians around, as they have practically no crime to address. Since banning handguns, DC's crime rate has been near zero with violent (feony) crime unheard of !!!!!
So yes Banning Guns does work.
Want more proof? Look at two states that do not require gun permits or registration.
First, the state of Vermont allows for the conceled carry without a permit. As a reult, Vermont remains the single most crime ridden state in the Union!!! I visited once, and I have never been so appaleed. There were 5 shootings in one day in a a small town near where we stayed, people arguing about everything from drugs to trespassing!!!! Vermont remains to this day a place to avoid, it leads the nation not only in per capita crime, but in the Murder rate and violent crime rate, all because handguns are allowed.
A close second is North Dakota. I have read these reports about how everyone there carries a firearm and looks for any excuse to use it. THe result of violence in North Dakota has driven many people away from there, and the resulting tax loss has caused overwhelmed police departments to shrink allowing for gang and mob acitivity. It is reputed to be the headquarters of 4 of the five former New York Mafia families, who have left New York because of gun laws and moved into North Dakota where they can own firearms easily and legally.
I posted this on another forum (Probably got deleted) But YES Gun Laws WORK!!!
Consider these two examples.
New York City passed a handgun ban in the 1920's. Obtaining a permit for a handgun in New York is nearly impossible, so much that most people just do not bother.
As a result, New York City has not had a murder or a violent crime in 90 YEARS!!! It remains a pleasant and safe city.
Likewise, the murder rate in Washington DC is zero because DC has the toughest handgun laws around. Police in DC pass time writing parking tickets and escorting politicians around, as they have practically no crime to address. Since banning handguns, DC's crime rate has been near zero with violent (feony) crime unheard of !!!!!
So yes Banning Guns does work.
Want more proof? Look at two states that do not require gun permits or registration.
First, the state of Vermont allows for the conceled carry without a permit. As a reult, Vermont remains the single most crime ridden state in the Union!!! I visited once, and I have never been so appaleed. There were 5 shootings in one day in a a small town near where we stayed, people arguing about everything from drugs to trespassing!!!! Vermont remains to this day a place to avoid, it leads the nation not only in per capita crime, but in the Murder rate and violent crime rate, all because handguns are allowed.
A close second is North Dakota. I have read these reports about how everyone there carries a firearm and looks for any excuse to use it. THe result of violence in North Dakota has driven many people away from there, and the resulting tax loss has caused overwhelmed police departments to shrink allowing for gang and mob acitivity. It is reputed to be the headquarters of 4 of the five former New York Mafia families, who have left New York because of gun laws and moved into North Dakota where they can own firearms easily and legally.
So YES Gun Laws work. The example is clear.
Please show me the link that shows New York city has not had a violent crime in 90 years.. I want to see this... You will be a while looking..
I posted this on another forum (Probably got deleted) But YES Gun Laws WORK!!!
Consider these two examples.
New York City passed a handgun ban in the 1920's. Obtaining a permit for a handgun in New York is nearly impossible, so much that most people just do not bother.
As a result, New York City has not had a murder or a violent crime in 90 YEARS!!! It remains a pleasant and safe city.
Likewise, the murder rate in Washington DC is zero because DC has the toughest handgun laws around. Police in DC pass time writing parking tickets and escorting politicians around, as they have practically no crime to address. Since banning handguns, DC's crime rate has been near zero with violent (feony) crime unheard of !!!!!
So yes Banning Guns does work.
Want more proof? Look at two states that do not require gun permits or registration.
First, the state of Vermont allows for the conceled carry without a permit. As a reult, Vermont remains the single most crime ridden state in the Union!!! I visited once, and I have never been so appaleed. There were 5 shootings in one day in a a small town near where we stayed, people arguing about everything from drugs to trespassing!!!! Vermont remains to this day a place to avoid, it leads the nation not only in per capita crime, but in the Murder rate and violent crime rate, all because handguns are allowed.
A close second is North Dakota. I have read these reports about how everyone there carries a firearm and looks for any excuse to use it. THe result of violence in North Dakota has driven many people away from there, and the resulting tax loss has caused overwhelmed police departments to shrink allowing for gang and mob acitivity. It is reputed to be the headquarters of 4 of the five former New York Mafia families, who have left New York because of gun laws and moved into North Dakota where they can own firearms easily and legally.
I posted this on another forum (Probably got deleted) But YES Gun Laws WORK!!!
Consider these two examples.
New York City passed a handgun ban in the 1920's. Obtaining a permit for a handgun in New York is nearly impossible, so much that most people just do not bother.
As a result, New York City has not had a murder or a violent crime in 90 YEARS!!! It remains a pleasant and safe city.
Likewise, the murder rate in Washington DC is zero because DC has the toughest handgun laws around. Police in DC pass time writing parking tickets and escorting politicians around, as they have practically no crime to address. Since banning handguns, DC's crime rate has been near zero with violent (feony) crime unheard of !!!!!
So yes Banning Guns does work.
Want more proof? Look at two states that do not require gun permits or registration.
First, the state of Vermont allows for the conceled carry without a permit. As a reult, Vermont remains the single most crime ridden state in the Union!!! I visited once, and I have never been so appaleed. There were 5 shootings in one day in a a small town near where we stayed, people arguing about everything from drugs to trespassing!!!! Vermont remains to this day a place to avoid, it leads the nation not only in per capita crime, but in the Murder rate and violent crime rate, all because handguns are allowed.
A close second is North Dakota. I have read these reports about how everyone there carries a firearm and looks for any excuse to use it. THe result of violence in North Dakota has driven many people away from there, and the resulting tax loss has caused overwhelmed police departments to shrink allowing for gang and mob acitivity. It is reputed to be the headquarters of 4 of the five former New York Mafia families, who have left New York because of gun laws and moved into North Dakota where they can own firearms easily and legally.
So YES Gun Laws work. The example is clear.
That was great. I would never walk the streets in a North Dakota town at night. New York City? Hell I would walk any street in the city at night handing out money to the poor. Friendly bunch of folks in New York City, unlike those unsociable asses in North Dakota.
DC has the toughest gun laws so how can this happen? *******s please explain!
Police in the District are looking for several robbers after eight holdups occurred in the span of just a few hours Friday night.
Police say the robberies started at around 7:00 p.m. in the 3300 block of 6th Street SE. After that, there were two more reported robberies in Southeast and five more in Northwest.
Several of the incidents involved guns. And in one, a thief reportedly wore Redskins gloves.
Same way Chicago has some of the most strict gun laws yet led the country in murders last year. Same way Cali has some of the most strict gun laws but has some of the most dangerous places to visit in the country. Gun control doesn't mean anything anymore in the US. The only way they'd even remotely have a chance at reversing that is going door to door and taking every gun they find but good luck being able to pull that off.
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