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Old 01-15-2013, 11:20 AM
 
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Sarah Palin is clearly a bigoted racist, she held a position of authority in the Republican Party, she has a history of marginalizing minorities as governor, and she panders to the racist portion of the Republican Party. But wait there’s more! Her actions are being defended by a group of conservatives that say TA DA… it is not racist.

What this comes down to if a Democrat had a track record of disenfranchising minorities and then all of the sudden they use racist code words/phrases, I would defiantly not support them. I would actually call them out… But it seems the opposite happens with many conservatives…

My argument was never that there isn’t any racist in the Democrat Party but that when/if racism comes to light those officials/candidates are chastised and cast out... Try holding your representatives to the same high standards…
The problem is that you are conflating....Sarah Palin is not the "GOP". Just somebody aligned with the GOP. You are engaging in stereotyping. You should know about that better than anybody. Applying one anecdote across a whole group of people.

tsk tsk....

That being said...what Sarah Palin said is not "racist". Was it a bad choice of words? Maybe...maybe not. But the bottom line is saying "shucking and jiving" doesn't mean Sarah is ready to actively oppress all black people in America.

Sorry, that thought process in America has come to pass...People are being judged on their individual actions and merit. As much as you want to hold on to that powerful and loaded race card.. It's time to let go of the security blanket, Linus.
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Old 01-15-2013, 11:21 AM
 
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Yeah, thats why he was picked by Republicans for different important roles. Screw Powell
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Old 01-15-2013, 11:24 AM
 
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The problem is that you are conflating....Sarah Palin is not the "GOP". Just somebody aligned with the GOP. You are engaging in stereotyping. You should know about that better than anybody. Applying one anecdote across a whole group of people.

tsk tsk....

That being said...what Sarah Palin said is not "racist". Was it a bad choice of words? Maybe...maybe not. But the bottom line is saying "shucking and jiving" doesn't mean Sarah is ready to actively oppress all black people in America.

Sorry, that thought process in America has come to pass...People are being judged on their individual actions and merit. As much as you want to hold on to that powerful and loaded race card.. It's time to let go of the security blanket, Linus.
you'd likely have better luck convincing him to take a naked skinnydipping trip to antarctica.
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Old 01-15-2013, 11:36 AM
 
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Yep, the GOP is so racist that they kept Powell around and even made him SoS. Yep, that's racist alright! He's an opportunist, nothing more.
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Old 01-15-2013, 11:52 AM
 
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The problem is that you are conflating....Sarah Palin is not the "GOP". Just somebody aligned with the GOP. You are engaging in stereotyping. You should know about that better than anybody. Applying one anecdote across a whole group of people.

tsk tsk....

That being said...what Sarah Palin said is not "racist". Was it a bad choice of words? Maybe...maybe not. But the bottom line is saying "shucking and jiving" doesn't mean Sarah is ready to actively oppress all black people in America.

Sorry, that thought process in America has come to pass...People are being judged on their individual actions and merit. As much as you want to hold on to that powerful and loaded race card.. It's time to let go of the security blanket, Linus.
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Old 01-15-2013, 11:55 AM
 
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Default Colin Powell: GOP Holds 'Dark Vein Of Intolerance'

The general speaks the truth.

Not that it matters to the weirdos who have taken over the GOP.
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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The problem is that you are conflating....Sarah Palin is not the "GOP". Just somebody aligned with the GOP. You are engaging in stereotyping. You should know about that better than anybody. Applying one anecdote across a whole group of people.

tsk tsk....

That being said...what Sarah Palin said is not "racist". Was it a bad choice of words? Maybe...maybe not. But the bottom line is saying "shucking and jiving" doesn't mean Sarah is ready to actively oppress all black people in America.

Sorry, that thought process in America has come to pass...People are being judged on their individual actions and merit. As much as you want to hold on to that powerful and loaded race card.. It's time to let go of the security blanket, Linus.
I never made the claim that Sarah Palin was the GOP. That argument is just a little silly. But what we all know is that she was the VP Republican nominee in 2008 and that position elevated her into a position of influence and authority in the Republican Party. Can we agree to as much?

Now we can debate all day long about which political party harbors the majority of racist. But all the opinion in the world won’t change the facts. Republicans but even better conservatism has been on the side of racism for many decades in the US. All you need to do is open a history book.

Next point! Your perception of Sarah Palin’s character is a prime example of tolerating racist and extreme party members/leaders. The only fix for this type of attitude is a reevaluation of your value system. Its one thing to believe something was said in bad taste (that happens all the time) and it is completely something else to ignore opinions, policy positions, and questionable actions leading up to said statement.

P.S. there is no such thing as a race card. Race card was a phase made up to undervalue and marginalize the experience of the disenfranchised. Attaching card to the end implies race is used as a game but in actuality there is no game being played.
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:24 PM
 
Location: NJ
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I never made the claim that Sarah Palin was the GOP. That argument is just a little silly. But what we all know is that she was the VP Republican nominee in 2008 and that position elevated her into a position of influence and authority in the Republican Party. Can we agree to as much?

Now we can debate all day long about which political party harbors the majority of racist. But all the opinion in the world won’t change the facts. Republicans but even better conservatism has been on the side of racism for many decades in the US. All you need to do is open a history book.

Next point! Your perception of Sarah Palin’s character is a prime example of tolerating racist and extreme party members/leaders. The only fix for this type of attitude is a reevaluation of your value system. Its one thing to believe something was said in bad taste (that happens all the time) and it is completely something else to ignore opinions, policy positions, and questionable actions leading up to said statement.

P.S. there is no such thing as a race card. Race card was a phase made up to undervalue and marginalize the experience of the disenfranchised. Attaching card to the end implies race is used as a game but in actuality there is no game being played.
and yes this Bob Corker fan does consider Palin a racist, and the term she used, absolutely racist in the connotation she chose. I am delighted she is now in the reality tv trash world she truly belongs in.
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:25 PM
 
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I never made the claim that Sarah Palin was the GOP. That argument is just a little silly. But what we all know is that she was the VP Republican nominee in 2008 and that position elevated her into a position of influence and authority in the Republican Party. Can we agree to as much?
Sure, but she is about as irrelevant as irrelevant can get...as of now. Do we agree on that as well?

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Now we can debate all day long about which political party harbors the majority of racist. But all the opinion in the world won’t change the facts. Republicans but even better conservatism has been on the side of racism for many decades in the US. All you need to do is open a history book.
Conservatism hasn't been on the side of "racism". Why? Well the problem lies in context...

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A person who is averse to change and holds to traditional values and attitudes, typically in politics.
traditional values.... What is that? What qualifies as "traditional"?? So, because the Western Family, Heterosexuality and Christianity is an old school value.....and....60 years ago there was segregation...and 150 years ago there was slavery... that means we have to throw the baby out with the bathwater?

That's the problem... people DO want to hold onto old values. But that doesn't mean that you can lump bigotry in with it.

There were many white people that died trying to free slaves...did these people frown upon frugality, a prudent sex life and humility too? Were these people "Liberals" based off this one value they held? You don't understand how your notion that peoples having to fall lockstep with their ideology promotes racial divide. You feed into these. I see it everyday.



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Next point! Your perception of Sarah Palin’s character is a prime example of tolerating racist and extreme party members/leaders. The only fix for this type of attitude is a reevaluation of your value system. Its one thing to believe something was said in bad taste (that happens all the time) and it is completely something else to ignore opinions, policy positions, and questionable actions leading up to said statement.
Look, I don't know what it was... Maybe it was a Freudian slip...maybe it was benign....maybe it WAS intentionally bigoted. It still doesn't have much bearing in a modern society. Comedians do this stuff "in context" all the time. But it's OK when it's stuffed into the shell of "art"...

Why?

Do you believe that many artists material reflect their personal convictions as well?

A politician in this world has become nothing but an entertainer...you are watching a coached, scripted and paid actor. This is very real.

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P.S. there is no such thing as a race card. Race card was a phase made up to undervalue and marginalize the experience of the disenfranchised. Attaching card to the end implies race is used as a game but in actuality there is no game being played.
It is...it is a game. And old and tired one.
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:27 PM
 
Location: WY
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P.S. there is no such thing as a race card. Race card was a phase made up to undervalue and marginalize the experience of the disenfranchised. Attaching card to the end implies race is used as a game but in actuality there is no game being played.
Agreed. The phrase minimizes what real racism is all about. There's been plenty of racism throughout this countrys' short history. There's still racism floating around "out there" like a virus. I have a problem with it being bandied around so easily these days though. The word is being used way too cheaply. It's being used as a weapon to try and quiet opposing points of view, to put people on the defensive and to sabotage or sidetrack conversations.

To use the word so cheaply undervalues and marginalizes those who experienced real racism, and those who continue to experience real racism. Use the word so cheaply or use it as a tool often enough, and eventually the word will mean nothing.
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