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Old 01-14-2013, 11:42 AM
 
Location: One of the 13 original colonies.
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[quote=PullMyFinger;27760009]Damn, the homeowner has sat there for 50 years just waiting for a chance to kill an intruder and he missed the party. I wonder if the burglar would come back and do it again so the homeowner could kill him.

I mean it's his American right to kill intruders.[/quote]




Yes it definitely is. And your kindergarten rants do not change that fact.
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:42 AM
 
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Damn, the homeowner has sat there for 50 years just waiting for a chance to kill an intruder and he missed the party. I wonder if the burglar would come back and do it again so the homeowner could kill him.

I mean it's his American right to kill intruders.
What are you cheering about?
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:43 AM
 
Location: in my imagination
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Effectively, you're proposing stifling free speech. No, I don't think the newspaper should have done that, but remember, that is what "freedoms" entail.
I said, I don't support bans on free press or games or movies. I also don't support bans on guns, particulary a ban on a certain type of gun. I'd rather live in freedom and promote responsible use of it.

So for the first part we are in agreement.
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:51 AM
 
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Did you read the article?

"The elderly homeowner, who legally owns weapons, was not at home at the time of the burglary."
I did read the article, but it didn't mention how the burglars, if they used the newspaper's map to find a victim, knew that the house was unoccupied. For all they knew, Mrs. Gunowner was locked and loaded on the other side of the door.
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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I did read the article, but it didn't mention how the burglars, if they used the newspaper's map to find a victim, knew that the house was unoccupied. For all they knew, Mrs. Gunowner was locked and loaded on the other side of the door.
Ya think they might have rung the doorbell?
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Old 01-14-2013, 01:35 PM
 
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Ya think they might have rung the doorbell?
Okay - window, cat door, whatever.

The point is, unless they had thermal imaging goggles, they had no certainty that there was no one in the house. And knowing (allegedly) that there was possibly a gun in there and maybe someone to shoot it, they went in anyway.
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Old 01-14-2013, 02:00 PM
 
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Okay - window, cat door, whatever.

The point is, unless they had thermal imaging goggles, they had no certainty that there was no one in the house. And knowing (allegedly) that there was possibly a gun in there and maybe someone to shoot it, they went in anyway.
The crook can minimize risk by just ringing a doorbell or watching it for activity, if he's desperate he may just take his chances....the point is this - there are only 2 commodities that are more valuable used (stolen) then they are new - that's Drugs...and Guns. Stolen guns (rather than legal gun ownership) are a big problem in gun violence. For better or worse, the knowledge that there are guns in the house puts a huge target on the gun owners house, sure it's also a deterent as well, but not to a desperate crook looking for drug money.
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Old 01-14-2013, 02:04 PM
 
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I mean it's his American right to kill intruders.
Failed irony...yes, as a matter of speaking, it is his right to defend himself and his family from harm. Is there an argument about that? Because I would certainly like to hear it. Turning it around - is it his right to be allowed to be killed by instruders?
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Old 01-14-2013, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I said, I don't support bans on free press or games or movies. I also don't support bans on guns, particulary a ban on a certain type of gun. I'd rather live in freedom and promote responsible use of it.
Aren't you suggesting media be held accountable for what it prints/suggests, and punished if found guilty?
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Old 01-14-2013, 02:12 PM
 
Location: in my imagination
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Aren't you suggesting media be held accountable for what it prints/suggests, and punished if found guilty?
No, I am suggesting they use their freedom and freewill to to hold themselves accountable. There are many things we might be able to legally do technically however that doesn't mean we should do it under certain circumstances.

As a example, I sometimes see people with four letter bumperstickers, it may be legal but what does it do on a positive note for society. I use "sailor language" and drop four letter words as much as anybody but there is a time and place for everything. But, I wouldn't support banning the bumpersticker.
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