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Old 01-16-2013, 06:54 PM
 
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“Gang violence was here before rap music,” said David Banner, a rapper who records for Universal Music and whose real name is Levell Crump. “I can admit that there are some problems in hip-hop, but it is only a reflection of what is taking place in our society. Hip-hop is sick because America is sick.”
Part of the reason America is sick is that we have decided to accept our own sickness and excuse its glorification in exchange for a few bucks. Our inability or unwillingness to draw certain lines between right and wrong is its own sickness in itself.
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:16 PM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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Part of the reason America is sick is that we have decided to accept our own sickness and excuse its glorification in exchange for a few bucks. Our inability or unwillingness to draw certain lines between right and wrong is its own sickness in itself.
The music is singing about what men have been singing for ages:

Fighting
Women
Money

It's time we stop pretending to be offended.
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:25 PM
 
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The music is singing about what men have been singing for ages:

Fighting
Women
Money

It's time we stop pretending to be offended.
Fabrication. Popular music now is not what it was 50 years ago. Not even close.

Moral relativism be damned. That's what's at the core of the sickness I was referring to.
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:29 PM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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Fabrication. Popular music now is not what it was 50 years ago. Not even close.

Moral relativism be damned. That's what's at the core of the sickness I was referring to.
I'm not talking just 50 years, I've talking about since men have been walking this earth. Those 3 topics are the core to every man's sense of his role whether he comes to terms with it or not.
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:31 PM
 
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I'm not talking just 50 years, I've talking about since men have been walking this earth. Those 3 topics are the core to every man's sense of his role whether he comes to terms with it or not.
That's what you call moral relativism. It does not concern me.

Speak for yourself. There is nothing in my sense of role about selling drugs and shooting people.

It's garbage, and it glorifies stupidity and destructive behavior.
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:33 PM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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That's what you call moral relativism. It does not concern me.

Speak for yourself. There is nothing in my sense of role about selling drugs and shooting people.
Why is selling drugs worse than selling prescription drugs, books, toys, you tell me?

Why is singing about shooting people in the streets different than singing about shooting people in the army?
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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[quote=BMOREBOY;27797695]One word: music. A lot of music of negativity is found in inner-cities, which promotes violence. For instance, although I have a extremely diverse taste in music, when I drive I typically listen to dumb hip-hop as opposed to intelligent hip-hop. I'm sure most of you haven't heard of Gucci Mane (fairly unintelligent rapper)........./QUOTE]


lets stop you right there.

Gucci Mane has released 3 albums and none of them have been certified gold(500,000 copies sold). SO that kind of defeats the purpose of the argument you are trying to make, he isnt popular. He is a gimmick rapper that has sold a couple of CD's.

here are rap artist just by memory that have been ceritified Gold or higher since the release of his first Album

Jay Z (3X)
Kanye (4X)
Lil Wayne(5X)
Drake (4X)
Lupe Fiasco(3X)
J. Cole (1X)
Big Sean(2X)
Wiz Khalifa(1X)
Nicki MInaj (3X)
Ludacris (2X)
DJ Khalid (3X)
Yung Jeezy (2X)

I can keep going, but its safe to say its a very long list. You could have chosen someone else and made a much better argument.
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:42 PM
 
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Why is selling drugs worse than selling prescription drugs, books, toys, you tell me?
Whether drugs should be legal or not is irrelevant. In current realities, it is a high risk and potentially self destructive activity, and anyone with a brain in their heads can see the obvious lack of benefit over cost and risk.

And I don't believe in the glorification of self destructive activity.

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Why is singing about shooting people in the streets different than singing about shooting people in the army?
More fabrication. Please point to one instance where I advocated the glorification of any type of killing.

I could argue that the stupidity of your typical ghetto murder over nothing is an entirely different animal from fighting for a cause believed to be noble, but I don't even have to.

Go ahead, I've got more. I also don't believe in the glorification of abuse of women, drug use, and to a lesser extent the glorification of general stupidity and hollow materialism. All typical themes in current "music".

What is your argument exactly? That there is no right and wrong? Or that man should simply revert to his most primal instinct and act as an animal? Please, explain this to me.

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I can keep going, but its safe to say its a very long list. You could have chosen someone else and made a much better argument.
The man has sold hundreds of thousands of CDs and topped radio charts. What a lame argument.

The argument is not that he's Jesus in the hood, and the most popular musician ever. The argument is that he's popular. Which he is. To deny that is nothing more than a transparent cop out.
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:46 PM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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What is your argument exactly? That there is no right and wrong? Or that man should simply revert to his most primal instinct and act as an animal? Please, explain this to me.
That the music reflects man's true nature and that's why it's so popular. Not just with blacks, whites, Americans, but everyone.

God intended for us to kill so we can get women and get resources for our families. That's who we are. That's why world peace never will be.

All the above is just you equating wrong with it's against the law.
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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The man has sold hundreds of thousands of CDs and topped radio charts. What a lame argument.

The argument is not that he's Jesus in the hood, and the most popular musician ever. The argument is that he's popular. Which he is. To deny that is nothing more than a transparent cop out.
If you are the 98th most popular rap artist of the last 5 years then you are not popular. A small minority listen to him and purchase his music. He has never even had a song that charted inside the top 30 of the Billboard hot 100 songs.

you are making an argument that selling 600,000 albums total over a 5 year span in a nation of 300,000,000 makes some one popular.
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