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First off, I'm talking about the extreme right-wing fanatics that seem to have taken over the GOP, not moderate Republicans.
In my opinion, I think that this past election was a very telling one in the way that our great country is going. I think it showed that the majority (even though the country is very much split) simply do not favor the extremist views that have been coming from the GOP for the past few years because even though the economy is not completely recovered yet and we have debt/spending issues that need addressing, among the plethora of other problems, President Obama still won. I think a lot of this had to do with the fact that the right is now so extreme that people who might have been in the middle of the road still voted for the President, favoring him (although he might not be their favorite) over the likes of Mitt Romney.
Thus, I think that it's evident that GOP needs to enact some fundamental changes to many of its stances if it wants to remain viable in politics. They need to move away from these extremist views and leave the social issues at the door. I thought after this past election that the GOP would try to get rid of the teabaggers from their mainstram and try to move more central in order for them to put up a better fight in 2016. However, I think so far, I couldn't be more wrong. Most of the stuff that I see coming from the far-right is just as extreme and toxic as ever before (if not more)! Just look at some of the posts on this board! Don't they realize that if they keep this up they will continue to lose elections??? They're just isolating more and more people all the time it seems. I just don't get it, I think it's very obvious. This is especially true with the changing demographics of our country.
So what do you all think? Do you think the GOP will ever learn? Do you think they'll moderate in the future? And what do you think are their chances at being elected in upcoming election cycles?
BTW, some background info. Even though probably all the hardcore right-wingers on here would consider me a diehard liberal from that liberal "hellhole" of California, I actually think that my views are very moderate. Some of the basic things I believe in are: real universal health care for all (single-payer system), reasonable (read: a hell of a lot lower) college tuition costs, a comprehensive social- safety net, a progressive tax system, pro-choice, pro same-sex marriage, pro legalization of soft drugs. Now, I'm not saying we have to be Norway, but I think that we could learn many things from nations such as Canada and Australia, for example. By the way, I also believe in fiscal responsibility and living within our means, and I believe that cuts in spending do need to be made at the appropriate times in the appropriate places. But, like I said, I think these views are considered to be pretty moderate and reasonable in the rest of the developed world. And, also, I'd just like to say that I'm currently a university student who works and interns throughout the year, my parents both have masters degrees and are very sound financially, we've lived in numerous European countries and Japan, and have traveled around the world, etc. So, please, spare me one of the favorite far-right arguments that we "liberals" are stupid, welfare-addicted bums who don't work and just want to live off the government, etc. etc. That one really gets me every time.
Anyways, just felt the need to share that.
Please share your views and let us know what you think regarding my actual questions above. Have a nice night all.
*Runs to get popcorn and waits to be entertained*
EDIT: After reading the first few "responses" and literally LOL'ing I just have to say......And they really wonder why they drive people away and why their message isn't resonating with the majority of Americans????? Oh brother.......
Oh well, it'll be so much fun to hand them another defeat in 2016!
Last edited by CityLover9; 01-16-2013 at 09:57 PM..
First off, I'm talking about the extreme right-wing fanatics that seem to have taken over the GOP, not moderate Republicans.
In my opinion, I think that this past election was a very telling one in the way that our great country is going. I think it showed that the majority (even though the country is very much split) simply do not favor the extremist views that have been coming from the GOP for the past few years because even though the economy is not completely recovered yet and we have debt/spending issues that need addressing, among the plethora of other problems, President Obama still won. I think a lot of this had to do with the fact that the right is now so extreme that people who might have been in the middle of the road still voted for the President, favoring him (although he might not be their favorite) over the likes of Mitt Romney.
Thus, I think that it's evident that GOP needs to enact some fundamental changes to many of its stances if it wants to remain viable in politics. They need to move away from these extremist views and leave the social issues at the door. I thought after this past election that the GOP would try to get rid of the teabaggers from their mainstram and try to move more central in order for them to put up a better fight in 2016. However, I think so far, I couldn't be more wrong. Most of the stuff that I see coming from the far-right is just as extreme and toxic as ever before (if not more)! Just look at some of the posts on this board! Don't they realize that if they keep this up they will continue to lose elections??? They're just isolating more and more people all the time it seems. I just don't get it, I think it's very obvious. This is especially true with the changing demographics of our country.
So what do you all think? Do you think the GOP will ever learn? Do you think they'll moderate in the future? And what do you think are their chances at being elected in upcoming election cycles?
BTW, some background info. Even though probably all the hardcore right-wingers on here would consider me a diehard liberal from that liberal "hellhole" of California, I actually think that my views are very moderate. Some of the basic things I believe in are: real universal health care for all (single-payer system), reasonable (read: a hell of a lot lower) college tuition costs, a comprehensive social- safety net, a progressive tax system, pro-choice, pro same-sex marriage, pro legalization of soft drugs. Now, I'm not saying we have to be Norway, but I think that we could learn many things from nations such as Canada and Australia, for example. By the way, I also believe in fiscal responsibility and living within our means, and I believe that cuts in spending do need to be made at the appropriate times in the appropriate places. But, like I said, I think these views are considered to be pretty moderate and reasonable in the rest of the developed world. And, also, I'd just like to say that I'm currently a university student who works and interns throughout the year, my parents both have masters degrees and are very sound financially, we've lived in numerous European countries and Japan, and have traveled around the world, etc. So, please, spare me one of the favorite far-right arguments that we "liberals" are stupid, welfare-addicted bums who don't work and just want to live off the government, etc. etc. That one really gets me every time.
Anyways, just felt the need to share that.
Please share your views and let us know what you think regarding my actual questions above. Have a nice night all.
*Runs to get popcorn and waits to be entertained*
This post is basic regurgitation of leftist progressive propaganda. The complete inability of someone to think for themselves is on display in the above post
And how did I know you would claim to be world traveled.... very predictable
When people find they can vote themselves money, then the country is lost..... that is what has happened in America
Social issues were brought to the forefront specifically by the Dems and then blown WAY out of proportion by their state media. The election was won though based on promising people things
Nobody is going to vote Dem because of prochoice, no matter how much the baby killers want to believe that.
If being entertained means hearing the truth like I just did instead of your vivid imagination, then go enjoy your popcorn. Sprinkle some free thinking on it, I will supply some since you don't have any
First off, I'm talking about the extreme right-wing fanatics that seem to have taken over the GOP, not moderate Republicans.
In my opinion, I think that this past election was a very telling one in the way that our great country is going. I think it showed that the majority (even though the country is very much split) simply do not favor the extremist views that have been coming from the GOP for the past few years because even though the economy is not completely recovered yet and we have debt/spending issues that need addressing, among the plethora of other problems, President Obama still won. I think a lot of this had to do with the fact that the right is now so extreme that people who might have been in the middle of the road still voted for the President, favoring him (although he might not be their favorite) over the likes of Mitt Romney.
Thus, I think that it's evident that GOP needs to enact some fundamental changes to many of its stances if it wants to remain viable in politics. They need to move away from these extremist views and leave the social issues at the door. I thought after this past election that the GOP would try to get rid of the teabaggers from their mainstram and try to move more central in order for them to put up a better fight in 2016. However, I think so far, I couldn't be more wrong. Most of the stuff that I see coming from the far-right is just as extreme and toxic as ever before (if not more)! Just look at some of the posts on this board! Don't they realize that if they keep this up they will continue to lose elections??? They're just isolating more and more people all the time it seems. I just don't get it, I think it's very obvious. This is especially true with the changing demographics of our country.
So what do you all think? Do you think the GOP will ever learn? Do you think they'll moderate in the future? And what do you think are their chances at being elected in upcoming election cycles?
BTW, some background info. Even though probably all the hardcore right-wingers on here would consider me a diehard liberal from that liberal "hellhole" of California, I actually think that my views are very moderate. Some of the basic things I believe in are: real universal health care for all (single-payer system), reasonable (read: a hell of a lot lower) college tuition costs, a comprehensive social- safety net, a progressive tax system, pro-choice, pro same-sex marriage, pro legalization of soft drugs. Now, I'm not saying we have to be Norway, but I think that we could learn many things from nations such as Canada and Australia, for example. By the way, I also believe in fiscal responsibility and living within our means, and I believe that cuts in spending do need to be made at the appropriate times in the appropriate places. But, like I said, I think these views are considered to be pretty moderate and reasonable in the rest of the developed world. And, also, I'd just like to say that I'm currently a university student who works and interns throughout the year, my parents both have masters degrees and are very sound financially, we've lived in numerous European countries and Japan, and have traveled around the world, etc. So, please, spare me one of the favorite far-right arguments that we "liberals" are stupid, welfare-addicted bums who don't work and just want to live off the government, etc. etc. That one really gets me every time.
Anyways, just felt the need to share that.
Please share your views and let us know what you think regarding my actual questions above. Have a nice night all.
*Runs to get popcorn and waits to be entertained*
EDIT: After reading the first few "responses" and literally LOL'ing I just have to say......And they really wonder why they drive people away and why their message isn't resonating with the majority of Americans????? Oh brother.......
Oh well, it'll be so much fun to hand them another defeat in 2016!
Was this in the media matters daily talking points or did you come up with it all by yourself to try and impress the kooks on this forum? I'm sure your little tidbit about being the college edumacated world traveler who's mommy and daddy are also so smart and rich did. LOL
First off, I'm talking about the extreme right-wing fanatics that seem to have taken over the GOP, not moderate Republicans.
In my opinion, I think that this past election was a very telling one in the way that our great country is going. I think it showed that the majority (even though the country is very much split) simply do not favor the extremist views that have been coming from the GOP for the past few years because even though the economy is not completely recovered yet and we have debt/spending issues that need addressing, among the plethora of other problems, President Obama still won. I think a lot of this had to do with the fact that the right is now so extreme that people who might have been in the middle of the road still voted for the President, favoring him (although he might not be their favorite) over the likes of Mitt Romney.
Thus, I think that it's evident that GOP needs to enact some fundamental change to many of its stances if it wants to remain viable in politics. They need to move away from these extremist views and leave the social issues at the door. I thought after this past election that the GOP would try to get rid of the teabaggers from their mainstram and try to move more central in order for them to put up a better fight in 2016. However, I think so far, I couldn't be more wrong. Most of the stuff that I see coming from the far-right is just as extreme and toxic as ever (if not more)! Just look at some of the posts on this board! Don't they realize that if they keep this up they will continue to lose elections??? I just don't get it, I think it's very obvious. This is especially true with the changing demographics of our country.
So what do you all think? Do you think the GOP will ever learn? Do you think they'll moderate in the future? And what do you think are their chances at being elected in upcoming election cycles?
BTW, some background info. Even though probably all the hardcore right-wingers on here would consider me a diehard liberal from that liberal "hellhole" of California, I actually think that my views are very moderate. Some of the basic things I believe in are: real universal health care for all (single-payer system), reasonable (read: a hell of a lot lower) college tuition costs, a comprehensive social- safety net, a progressive tax system, pro-choice, pro same-sex marriage, pro legalization of soft drugs. Now, I'm not saying we have to be Norway, but I think that we could learn many things from nations such as Canada and Australia, for example. By the way, I also believe in fiscal responsibility and living within our means, and I believe that cuts in spending do need to be made at the appropriate times in the appropriate places. But, like I said, I think these views are considered to be pretty moderate and reasonable in the rest of the developed world. And, also, I'd just like to say that I'm currently a university student who works and interns throughout the year, my parents both have master degrees and are very sound financially, we've lived in numerous European countries and Japan, and have traveled around the world, etc. So, please, spare me one of the favorite far-right arguments that we "liberals" are stupid, welfare-addicted bums who don't work and just want to live off the government, etc. etc. That one really gets me every time.
Anyways, just felt the need to share that.
Please share your views and let us know what you think regarding my actual questions above. Have a nice night all.
*Runs to get popcorn and waits to be entertained*
No, the teabaggers and wingnuts will NEVER learn. They can't. This is particualrly true in the deep South, which I mention since Southerners have firm control of the testicles of all the cowardly Washington Repugnican 'leaders.'.
Look at history.
The Country had to go to war with the South in order to end slavery, even though by 1860 every other civilized first world country had long since abolished slavery.
We needed the Scopes trial in 1925 to even be able to teach Science, in the deep South.
It took until 1965, and dozens of Supreme Court ruling, to finally get rid of the Jim Crow laws. The National Guard was necessary to insure the rights of Southern Blacks to even attend the same Colleges and schools, as whites.
Even today, Southern States routinely Gerrymander voting districts, pass voter suppression laws, and often refuse to expand voting windows, as is common in the rest of the Coutry.
To this day, there is a high school in Jacksonville Florida named Nathan Bedford Forrest High. (Forrest was the founder, and initial Grand Dragon of the KKK) Today, this school is 55% black. Although there have been several attempts to get this schools name changed, all efforts have failed, with the standard argument given by the predominately white school board, "he is part of our heritage, and should be honored." Can anyone image a predominately Jewish, Adolph Hitler high school?
The point is that, at no time in its entire history has the conservative South EVER done the right thing on its own. In every case, they had to be forced into doing what any reasonable person with an IQ over 80, understood as common sense. They simply can't change. They're too ignorant, too bigoted, too scared, and too self serving.
And so it remains today. They're so sure of themselves, that they've actually managed to talk themselves into thinking that all of their radical beliefs are a matter of principle, and that only they can personally save America from the Kenyan Devil.
So, today you get them arguing the following................
1. All American born children of illegal immagrants, should to be kicked out of the Country.
2. Gays are the work of the Devil, and must be discriminated against, at every opportunity.
3. Give the rich everything they want. In turn, they PROMISE to trickle some crumbs down to the masses.
4. Every American should have the right to own automatic weapons, as the founding fathers intended.
5. Anyone that isn't a Protestant Evangelical, must be a Communist Atheist, and should be feared.
6. Anyone that has lost their health insurance due to job downsizing, pre existing conditions, or increased insurance premium costs, deserves whatever sickness they get, and should be allowed to die.
7. Any war, is a good war.
8. Any attempt of any kind to change America in any way, from the way it was in 1859, is a direct afront to their God given American way of life.
9. Pro life before any birth, and could not care less, after the baby is born.
10. Everything on Earth was put here by God, specifically to satisfy their own greed, gluttony, and blood lust.
11. All science is the work of the Devil, and is just another excuse to attack their American way of life.
12. Education is just another example of the liberals attempt to brainwash all Americans.
You are correct, that America has reached a tipping point, and the majority of Americans will no longer allow themselves to be manipulated by the right wing politics of fear and ignorance. The Republicans are just too extreme. Fortunately for us, the Republican party's reaction to the resounding Democratic victory in November is further proof that they just don't get it, and they probably never will. They don't have, and never will have a plan B. They remind me of people that simply speak louder when talking to someone that doesn't speak English. It's as if they think maybe we just haven't heard them the first time, so this time they'll yell a little louder. It never occurs to them, that THEY are the problem. Arrogant fools. But, in this case that's a good thing, as it only ensures continued Democratic party rule.
BTW, some background info. Even though probably all the hardcore right-wingers on here would consider me a diehard liberal from that liberal "hellhole" of California, I actually think that my views are very moderate. Some of the basic things I believe in are: real universal health care for all (single-payer system), reasonable (read: a hell of a lot lower) college tuition costs, a comprehensive social- safety net, a progressive tax system, pro-choice, pro same-sex marriage, pro legalization of soft drugs. Now, I'm not saying we have to be Norway, but I think that we could learn many things from nations such as Canada and Australia, for example. By the way, I also believe in fiscal responsibility and living within our means, and I believe that cuts in spending do need to be made at the appropriate times in the appropriate places. But, like I said, I think these views are considered to be pretty moderate and reasonable in the rest of the developed world. And, also, I'd just like to say that I'm currently a university student who works and interns throughout the year, my parents both have masters degrees and are very sound financially, we've lived in numerous European countries and Japan, and have traveled around the world, etc. So, please, spare me one of the favorite far-right arguments that we "liberals" are stupid, welfare-addicted bums who don't work and just want to live off the government, etc. etc. That one really gets me every time.
You are either delusional or joking saying you think your views are moderate. You almost completely described socialism as your viewpoint and as liberal as possible on social issues and government health care.
Obama was the most liberal member of the Senate in his voting record(even more liberal than the actual Communist Bernie Sanders) and Romney is the actual moderate. Yes he went further right during the primary so he could get the nomination but the only moderate in actual governance and the general election was Romney. Conservatives don't get elected governor of Massachusetts.
I do somewhat agree with you that social policies hurt the Republicans this election but only because of the amount of stupid "single issue" voters on gay marriage or abortion. Most people I know personally who voted that way are the college graduates who cook in restaurants or fold clothes at the Gap because of Obama's economy and they will still be there 4 years from now.
The only reason America isn't in the same spot as Greece right now is because we are still the reserve currency of the world. You will probably get your wish of us becoming Europe in the next 20 years but we will be like Spain and Greece with crazy debt and high unemployment, not like the good countries like Germany.
Oh and since we are throwing this out there just for fun I have also lived overseas and traveled all over. You are still a liberal so stop pretending.
Thus, I think that it's evident that GOP needs to enact some fundamental changes to many of its stances if it wants to remain viable in politics. They need to move away from these extremist views and leave the social issues at the door. I thought after this past election that the GOP would try to get rid of the teabaggers from their mainstram and try to move more central in order for them to put up a better fight in 2016. However, I think so far, I couldn't be more wrong. Most of the stuff that I see coming from the far-right is just as extreme and toxic as ever before (if not more)! Just look at some of the posts on this board! Don't they realize that if they keep this up they will continue to lose elections??? They're just isolating more and more people all the time it seems. I just don't get it, I think it's very obvious. This is especially true with the changing demographics of our country.
So what do you all think? Do you think the GOP will ever learn? Do you think they'll moderate in the future? And what do you think are their chances at being elected in upcoming election cycles?
They're slow learners. But they'll figure it out even if it takes a decade or more. Besides, the Dems will eventually mess up badly enough to give the GOP an opening of some sort. The world of politics seems to revolve around foul-ups.
Partisan name-calling aside, the fact that a candidate as weak as Romney was still able to garner 48 million popular votes and over 200 electoral college votes in the face of unrelenting hostility from the media and a withering negative campagin by the DNC starting back in the early summer of 2012, shows that the rumors of the impending demise of the GOP are seriously exaggerated.
If Hillary is medically disqualified (or, more likely, disqualifies herself) from running in 2016, the GOP is right back in the ballgame. They just need to nominate someone who is neither a) filthy rich, b) a member of an unpopular relgious group, or c) as gaffe-prone as the unfortunate Mr. Romney.
Of course, it would also help if GOP candidates started talking truthfully about exactly how Hispanics and blacks would benefit from electing a Republican President (and emphasizing the benefits to all which would accrue from a robust economy and full provate-sector employment), rather than simply dismissing those important voting groups from the GOP equation. Reminding voters of which party Lincoln founded, and who pushed through the original Federal affirmative action legislation, would be a start. The silence from the Republicans in these areas is deafening. And puzzling.
Partisan name-calling aside, the fact that a candidate as weak as Romney was still able to garner 48 million popular votes and over 200 electoral college votes in the face of unrelenting hostility from the media and a withering negative campagin by the DNC starting back in the early summer of 2012, shows that the rumors of the impending demise of the GOP are seriously exaggerated.
If Hillary is medically disqualified (or, more likely, disqualifies herself) from running in 2016, the GOP is right back in the ballgame. They just need to nominate someone who is neither a) filthy rich, b) a member of an unpopular relgious group, or c) as gaffe-prone as the unfortunate Mr. Romney.
Of course, it would also help if GOP candidates started talking truthfully about exactly how Hispanics and blacks would benefit from electing a Republican President (and emphasizing the benefits to all which would accrue from a robust economy and full provate-sector employment), rather than simply dismissing those important voting groups from the GOP equation. Reminding voters of which party Lincoln founded, and who pushed through the original Federal affirmative action legislation, would be a start. The silence from the Republicans in these areas is deafening. And puzzling.
This would have been huge...... as well as doing a better job coming up with ways to fix the economy
They're slow learners. But they'll figure it out even if it takes a decade or more. Besides, the Dems will eventually mess up badly enough to give the GOP an opening of some sort. The world of politics seems to revolve around foul-ups.
Maybe, eventually.
But, I don't think so for the next 12 years. We've got 4 more years of Obama, and then what looks to be 8 years of Hillary. (surely she will run, after taking a year off to re-charge) I think Bill and her are far too savvy to make any big foul-ups, that would prevent her winning, should she decide to run. Her candidacy will only widen the advantage that Dems currently hold with female (the majority) voters.
By 2024, the Dems will have firm control of the Supreme Court, which will ensure progressive thinking for generations to come. By the time the Repugnicans ever potentially recover, it will be too late.
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very predictable
Will the right ever learn?
