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Old 01-21-2013, 04:42 PM
 
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You might want to pose the question to the parents of the 20 1st graders who were slaughtered at Sandy Hook. Oh that's right, in your eyes it's not the gun but the person.
How many home runs do you think Babe Ruth would have hit without a bat?

More than I could have! And that's the point! The "tool" of and by itself is an inanimate object!
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Old 01-21-2013, 06:32 PM
 
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About as annoying as folks using large mags killing innocent people?

Friend of mine sales guns saying, "when seconds count and help is minutes away"

If its harder to get large mags, and that adds seconds, lives, and precious time during mass shootings....

I don't give a flying **** if you've got to take two minutes to load your gun, if it saves one 6 year old.
Thats just the thing non gun enthusiasts don't get. it takes mere seconds to do a mag swap so limiting mag
capacity is a moot point just like barrel shrouds and pistol grips.
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Old 01-21-2013, 06:36 PM
 
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I stopped reading at "Some facts..." If facts were accepted by anti gun fanatics in the debate of controlling law abiding citizens, there wouldn't be any debate.

Last edited by lifeexplorer; 01-21-2013 at 06:46 PM..
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Old 01-21-2013, 06:45 PM
 
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Thats just the thing non gun enthusiasts don't get. it takes mere seconds to do a mag swap so limiting mag
capacity is a moot point just like barrel shrouds and pistol grips.
The sandy hook shooter was there for almost a half an hour. In that time it does not matter if he had a 30rd mag or a ten round mag or revolvers, he could have killed just as many kids with a shot gun or 357 as he did with the AR. this crap about save a life is moot. Guns are the genie that is out of the bottle. To make it illegal for guns to be owned by citizens you have to repeal the second amendment and that can take up to ten years. It also will not ever happen. So all you anti gun people can shove that one where the sun does not shine. If you ever did get a so called assault weapon ban passed or a mag ban passed and that is highly in doubt, you would cry like baby's when some mental person shot up a school with a tube mag 22lr. You would call for a ban on all guns which is what you want.

Like the little girl who obviously wrote what she was told to write, NO GUNS NO GUNS NO GUNS. But its NOT GOING TO HAPPEN NOT GOING OT HAPPEN NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
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Old 01-21-2013, 07:30 PM
 
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It's in reference to a "well regulated militia" and commonly used in false statements about 2nd Amendment. So, basically to be ignored.


just like the most often part of the 2nd Amendment that is always ignored by the moderate republicans, and all the democrats. shall not be infringed. if those same words were on the 1st amendment, you would be screaming for no laws on it aat all. but when it comes to self defense and protection from tyranny, you are against it.
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Old 01-21-2013, 07:38 PM
 
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just like the most often part of the 2nd Amendment that is always ignored by the moderate republicans, and all the democrats. shall not be infringed. if those same words were on the 1st amendment, you would be screaming for no laws on it aat all. but when it comes to self defense and protection from tyranny, you are against it.
Aint that the truth. You never hear about how we need to limit and regulate the first amendment. But the second its always give give give. I say no more.
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Old 01-21-2013, 07:43 PM
 
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Aint that the truth. You never hear about how we need to limit and regulate the first amendment. But the second its always give give give. I say no more.

I say get rid of all firearms laws, both state and federal.
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Old 01-21-2013, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Where does it state that in the constitution, those are your words, if that is true we should have hand grenades, tanks and machine guns. But you don't really mean that, just posturing otherwise you would be challenging the restrictions on sales of M16's and other military weapons.
"But if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights"

- Alexander Hamilton writing in Federalist 29.

The Federalist Papers explains the purpose of the constitution and defends its contents. The meaning of "a well regulated militia, neccesary to the security of a free state" was understood to mean that the people needed the same arms as the military. It wasn't neccesary to specifically state that in the amendment. Note that Hamilton uses the phrase "litle if at at all inferior" and mentions the "use of arms". That suggests equality, especially since the militia is meant to defend the state - it can't do so with inferior arms.
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Old 01-21-2013, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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It's in reference to a "well regulated militia" and commonly used in false statements about 2nd Amendment. So, basically to be ignored.
The militia is the people.

"A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country".

- James Madison


"But if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights"

- Alexander Hamilton


"I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."

- George Mason

Since you think that the 2nd Amendment should be ignored, then I trust that you feel the same about the 1st Amendment?
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Old 01-21-2013, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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The issue is the AR-15, make your case that this is any less deadly than the M16.
Neither of those types firearms are deadly unless loaded and operated by a human being.

I suppose a dog could inadvertantly put his paw through the trigger guard and accidentally kill someone - but still an outside action had to be taken in reference to the weapon before it could become deadly.

You talk as if the things just shoot on their own.
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