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Old 01-17-2013, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Like I said nobody wants to address the root causes, just like EG just defelected my post and tried to turn it into a different discussion.
If presenting real world instances that describe "prohibition" of some kind is deflection, I will prefer that EVERY TIME.

Now, may be you weren't talking about preventing people from carrying/ownership, but something else. What was that discussion about?
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Pro gun laws are in the ACA i do not see anyone talking about that perhaps the EOs given violate the laws in the ACA
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:59 PM
 
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Pro gun laws are in the ACA i do not see anyone talking about that perhaps the EOs given violate the laws in the ACA

I don't know what you mean that pro gun laws are in the ACA.
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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I don't know what you mean that pro gun laws are in the ACA.
In the Affordable Care Act, the gun lobby’s section is in Title X, starting on page 2,037, line 23. “Protection of Second Amendment Gun Rights”
Gun Owner Rights and Obamacare - Yes It Is In The Law - Forbes

More of Nancy Pelosi needing to pass it to know what is in it.Seems this law in Obama care counters his EOs
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:06 PM
 
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In the Affordable Care Act, the gun lobby’s section is in Title X, starting on page 2,037, line 23. “Protection of Second Amendment Gun Rights”
Gun Owner Rights and Obamacare - Yes It Is In The Law - Forbes

More of Nancy Pelosi needing to pass it to know what is in it.Seems this law in Obama care counters his EOs
Just a FYI but that was inserted by Reid. LOL
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:06 PM
 
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Had owning drugs like crack and heroin become part of Bill of Rights, ownership of those drugs would NOT be a health issue.
It IS part of the Bill of Rights.

It's called the Ninth Amendment.
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:07 PM
 
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In the Affordable Care Act, the gun lobby’s section is in Title X, starting on page 2,037, line 23. “Protection of Second Amendment Gun Rights”
Gun Owner Rights and Obamacare - Yes It Is In The Law - Forbes

More of Nancy Pelosi needing to pass it to know what is in it.Seems this law in Obama care counters his EOs
ok, thanks.
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:10 PM
 
Location: in my imagination
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If presenting real world instances that describe "prohibition" of some kind is deflection, I will prefer that EVERY TIME.

Now, may be you weren't talking about preventing people from carrying/ownership, but something else. What was that discussion about?
The discussion was after Don mentioned drugs being a health issue so why not guns?, that the war on drugs is a failure, the violence that comes from prohibition is a bi-product of it including a lot of the gun violence from criminals, gangs and cartels. Notice that the new gun bans like in NY don't effect the mafia, cartels or gangs.

You can have access to a gun, or a bottle or a MJ blunt and what determines whether someone uses it or not wrongly is their moral code. Address the root causes and you'll lessen abuse of freedom without having to ban it.

We obviously have a problem whether guns are available or not when too many want to go off a murder spree and we need to address WHY they are thinking like that and acting on it.

Instead you went off about company rights to ban guns on their premises?
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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The discussion was after Don mentioned drugs being a health issue so why not guns?, that the war on drugs is a failure, the violence that comes from prohibition is a bi-product of it including a lot of the gun violence from criminals, gangs and cartels. Notice that the new gun bans like in NY don't effect the mafia, cartels or gangs.
Do you support prohibition of gun purchase to felons? Or, should we simply remove all such restrictions because anybody can get anything they want, after all.
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:40 PM
 
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Do you support prohibition of gun purchase to felons? Or, should we simply remove all such restrictions because anybody can get anything they want, after all.

Do you agree that prohibition creates violence from a blackmarket and that the many shootings that occur from cartels and gangs are because of bans and prohibition? Do you agree that there wouldn't be as many shootings if the gangs didn't fight over illegal trade of drugs?

Do you agree that hardly any political party or certain self interests profiting from prohibition want to end the current drug war even though it causes these problems but instead proposes even more prohibition?

You keep answering my questions with a question, just answer these direct questions.
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