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Old 01-18-2013, 10:11 AM
 
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More relevant, here is a list of countries ranked by firearm murder rates per 100,000 population:

Japan 0.02
Poland 0.02
Azerbaijan 0.04
South Korea 0.04
Romania 0.04
United Kingdom 0.04
Norway 0.04
Slovenia 0.05
Germany 0.06
Singapore 0.07
Australia 0.09
Hong Kong 0.12
Czech Republic 0.12
Taiwan 0.13
Hungary 0.13
Spain 0.13
New Zealand 0.17
Qatar 0.18
Latvia 0.18
Slovakia 0.18
Austria 0.18
Sweden 0.19
Netherlands 0.20
Denmark 0.22
France 0.22
Bulgaria 0.23
Georgia 0.23
Cyprus 0.24
Lithuania 0.24
Finland 0.26
Belgium 0.29
Estonia 0.30
Ukraine 0.35
Ireland 0.36
Kuwait 0.36
Italy 0.36
Belarus 0.38
Macedonia 0.45
Portugal 0.48
Malta 0.48
Canada 0.50
Switzerland 0.52
Kyrgyzstan 0.53
Croatia 0.57
Uzbekistan 0.58
Greece 0.59
Luxembourg 0.60
Serbia 0.62
India 0.93
Israel 0.94
Moldova 1.04
Peru 1.87
Montenegro 2.06
Barbados 3
Argentina 3
Uruguay 3.24
Costa Rica 3.32
United States 3.6

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


I would have said nice paste and cut, but it does look like you intentionally left out a few countries.
especially the ones with a higher firearm death rate than the USA has, like brazil plus others.
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Old 01-18-2013, 10:47 AM
 
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I would have said nice paste and cut, but it does look like you intentionally left out a few countries.
especially the ones with a higher firearm death rate than the USA has, like brazil plus others.

The countries that have higher homicide rates are right there in the OP's original post----you might want to read a thread before posting.
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:52 PM
 
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Also interesting, the Firearm Death Rates per 100,000 population for Teenagers Ages 15 to 19 :


Great Britain 0.002
Australia 0.03
New Zealand 0.04
Israel 0.04
Canada 0.05

United States 0.20

So teens in the U.S. die from guns at a rate 400 % higher than in Canada.

http://futureofchildren.org/futureof...al.pdf#page=75
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:05 PM
 
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The countries that have higher homicide rates are right there in the OP's original post----you might want to read a thread before posting.


yeah maybe, but since I was quoting you and not him.
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:15 PM
 
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People can argue countries and statistics all they want, and it really doesn't matter. As long that there is a single murder tied to a gun, the anti-gun zealots will want to ban them.

Would you expect anything less? These are the same people who ban happy meals, 16 oz sodas, walking around in a bathrobe, and throwing fruit. The control freaks, who always have a cause they're fighting.

I'd rather just point out Chicago, DC, Detroit, Clevelend, and Phily, who combine to make up 30% of all gun murders in the nation. Isn't that mind boggling? The so-called "safe because we banned guns" cities enjoy the highest gun murder rates.

They are safe-zones for thugs with guns.

If you strip out all but non-negligent homicide and manslaughter (per capita) then: Louisiana, Missouri, California, Maryland and Michigan are the worst of the states. California never lifted our bans on weapons and has had limits to clips for years. Banning isn't the solution and CA is the example (AGAIN).

BTW, the UK has less gun violence, however they have 400% the blade violence. They also have 2-3x the home invasion per capita as the US.

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Old 01-18-2013, 04:21 PM
 
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And only a Dem would ignore demographics. It's not the country, it's the people. There is a reason why cities like New Orleans, Detroit, Wash DC, etc have murder rates ten to thirty times as high as cities like El Paso Texas, Plano Texas and Lincoln Neb.
This was an INTERNATIONAL comparison... not between El Paso and New Orleans. Other nations have their own demographic variations as well.
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:24 PM
 
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Note... All of the countries above the US have 100 percent gun bans..

Honduras 91.6
El Salvador 69.2.
Cote d'lvoire 56.9.
Jamaica 52.2
Venezuela 45.1
Belize 41.4
US Virgin Islands 39.2.
Guatemala 38.5
Saint Kits and Nevis 38.2.
Zambia 38.0
Uganda 36.3
Malawi 36.0
Lesotho 35.2
Trinidad and Tobago 35.2.
Colombia 33.4
South Africa 31.8.
Congo 30.8
Central African Republic 29.3.
Bahamas 27.4
Puerto Rico 26.2.
Saint Lucia 25.2.
Dominican Republic 25.0.
Tanzania 24.5
Sudan 24.2
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9.
Ethiopia 22.5
Guinea 22.5
Dominica 22.1
Burundi 21.7
Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7.
Panama 21.6
Brazil 21.0
Equatorial Guinea 20.7.
Guinea-Bissau 20.2
Kenya 20.1
Kyrgyzstan 20.1
Cameroon 19.7
Montserrat 19.7
Greenland 19.2
Angola 19.0
Guyana 18.6
Burkina Faso 18.0.
Eritrea 17.8
Namibia 17.2
Rwanda 17.1
Mexico 16.9
Chad 15.8
Ghana 15.7
Ecuador 15.2
North Korea 15.2.
Benin 15.1
Sierra Leone 14.9.
Mauritania 14.7
Botswana 14.5
Zimbabwe 14.3
Gabon 13.8
Nicaragua 13.6
French Guiana 13.3.
Papua New Guinea 13.0.
Swaziland 12.9
Bermuda 12.3
Comoros 12.2
Nigeria 12.2
Cape Verde 11.6.
Grenada 11.5
Paraguay 11.5
Barbados 11.3
Togo 10.9
Gambia 10.8
Peru 10.8
Myanmar 10.2
Russia 10.2
Liberia 10.1
Costa Rica 10.0.
Nauru 9.8
Bolivia 8.9
Mozambique 8.8
Kazakhstan 8.8
Senegal 8.7
Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7.
Mongolia 8.7
British Virgin Islands 8.6.
Cayman Islands 8.4.
Seychelles 8.3
Madagascar 8.1
Indonesia 8.1
Mali 8.0
Pakistan 7.8
Moldova 7.5
Kiribati 7.3
Guadeloupe 7.0
Haiti 6.9
Timor-Leste 6.9
Anguilla 6.8
Antigua and Barbuda 6.8.
Lithuania 6.6
Uruguay 5.9
Philippines 5.4
Ukraine 5.2
Estonia 5.2
Cuba 5.0
Belarus 4.9
Thailand 4.8
Suriname 4.6
Laos 4.6
Georgia 4.3
Martinique 4.2

And

The United States 4.2.
Not according to the left.
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:26 PM
 
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Looks like with the exeption of Guatamala and El Salvador, all of the top countries on that list have something in common -

High percentages of people at least partially descended from Africans. I don't think the gun laws in those countries have as much to do with those crime statistics as does the stock of people that live there.
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Old 01-19-2013, 01:11 PM
 
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BTW, the UK has less gun violence, however they have 400% the blade violence.
Surprisingly enough, the UK appears to have a lower knife murder rate than the US:

Offences involving knives and sharp instruments, March 2011 - March 2012 (England and Wales)

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Number of selected offences involving a knife or sharp instrument:

Homicide - 200
200 murders for 56 million people is a knife murder rate of 0.36 per 100,000.

Compare that to...

FBI - Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Murder Victims by Weapon, 2007–2011


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2011: Knives or cutting instruments - 1,694
1,694 murders for 312 million people is a rate of 0.54.

The US is a more murderous country in general compared to a place like England - especially firearms, but apparently also knives.

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Chicago, DC, Detroit, Clevelend, and Phily, who combine to make up 30% of all gun murders in the nation. Isn't that mind boggling? The so-called "safe because we banned guns" cities enjoy the highest gun murder rates.
Chicago and DC had sharp limits on handguns; Cleveland, Detroit, and Philly are all in shall-issue concealed-carry states. Detroit and Cleveland are also in stand-your-ground and castle doctrine states.

Detroit's murder rate is almost three times as high as Chicago's rate, incredibly enough.
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Old 02-17-2013, 02:02 PM
 
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200 murders for 56 million people is a knife murder rate of 0.36 per 100,000.
...
Compare that to...

1,694 murders for 312 million people is a rate of 0.54.
...
The US is a more murderous country in general compared to a place like England - especially firearms, but apparently also knives.
200 was for 2012. 2011 numbers were 235. Just homicide. I don't know if the issue should be just homicide, or should include serious injury and attempted homicide.

But - looking at just homicide and the comparisons (slightly incorrect) given, accepting the figures
.54 and .36. To me, those are statistically almost the same. A difference of only .14.
That means to say out of 1,000,000 people, in one case there are 3 1/2 murders and in the other case 5 1/2 murders. Out of one million people, 2 incidents out of a potential of One Million incidents is not very many - in fact, statistically (which admittedly is not all that matters when it comes to human lives) - it's a difference of .0002%!! Based solely on a difference of .0002%, one nation or society or religion or political party or army should not be categorized as "more murderous" than another.
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