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Old 01-17-2013, 04:12 PM
 
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"Twenty children and six adults were killed in Newtown, Conn., last month, and the media quickly, and justifiably, descended to tell the tragic story. In the first few weeks of January in Chicago, 25 people have already been murdered. Most were young black and Hispanic men, murdered by other young black and Hispanic men.

In Chicago, it’s Newtown every month. But the media haven’t converged on Chicago this month.

You don’t know the names of those kids and adults gunned down in Chicago this January, all by handguns. But the Chicago Tribune’s RedEye website tracks the Chicago body count since January 1: Gregory Bady, 28; Damian Barnes, 22; Marcus Wallace, 23; Tyrone Soleberry, 39; Brian Cross, 34; John Taylor, 23; Darville Brown, 24; Tyshawn Blanton, 31; Marcus Turner, 19; Lavonshay Cooper, 22; David Bartzmark, 25; Michael Kozel, 57; Ulysses Gissendanner, 19; Kevin Jemison, 29; Myron Brown, 30; Devanta Grisson, 19; Octavius Lamb, 20....."

"You don’t know the names because the media don’t or can’t blame the deaths in Chicago on a weapon like the AR-15, or on the NRA.

You don’t know their names because the media aren’t interested in getting at the real cause of much of the senseless gun violence in America: fatherlessness.

About 20,000 people live in my hometown of Oxford, Miss., and there are probably twice as many guns. Folks own handguns, shotguns, rifles, and all kinds of weapons I’ve never even heard of. But I can’t remember the last murder story in the local paper.

That’s because my town has lots of guns, but lots of fathers, too.

Chicago doesn’t have a gun problem; it has a father problem.

Gun control isn’t the problem on Chicago’s streets; self-control is."


The War Against Black Men - Lee Habeeb - National Review Online
I check out the Chicago Tribune red-eye homicide maps frequently. I agree that there is an issue of abandonment by black fathers in inner-city communities, and I have worked in the community on this problem. So I for one am not ignoring black-on-black inner-city violence.
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Old 01-17-2013, 04:18 PM
 
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I check out the Chicago Tribune red-eye homicide maps frequently. I agree that there is an issue of abandonment by black fathers in inner-city communities, and I have worked in the community on this problem. So I for one am not ignoring black-on-black inner-city violence.
Kudos!
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Old 01-17-2013, 04:19 PM
 
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I check out the Chicago Tribune red-eye homicide maps frequently. I agree that there is an issue of abandonment by black fathers in inner-city communities, and I have worked in the community on this problem. So I for one am not ignoring black-on-black inner-city violence.

IF this is true, then why are you going after all guns and not pistols....

Pistols killed over 6000 people last year, rifles and shotguns killed less than 700 people last year and BTW "blunt objects" Killed over 700 people last year....

Your priorities are not straight, you are either lieing or have no clue what you are talking about....
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Old 01-17-2013, 04:24 PM
 
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IF this is true, then why are you going after all guns and not pistols....

Pistols killed over 6000 people last year, rifles and shotguns killed less than 700 people last year and BTW "blunt objects" Killed over 700 people last year....

Your priorities are not straight, you are either lieing or have no clue what you are talking about....
I'm not really "going after" any particular type of gun. But yes, handguns are used more often in homicide than other types of guns. For suicide, I don't know the statistics on what type of firearms are used.
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Old 01-17-2013, 04:30 PM
 
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I'm not really "going after" any particular type of gun. But yes, handguns are used more often in homicide than other types of guns. For suicide, I don't the statistics on what type of firearms are used.
I'm still not sure why you want to ban any gun, and then use suicide to promote your agenda:

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Ninety percent of all people who die by suicide have a diagnosable psychiatric disorder at the time of their death.

AFSP: Facts and Figures: National Statistics
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Old 01-17-2013, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Based on 2010 U.S. death rates, 2,600,000 deaths occur on average each year. Those 36,000 gun deaths make up 1.4% of those deaths. The U.S. birth rate is approximately 4.9 million. While seemingly cold, death is another part of life - a morbid, dark, sad and inevitable part of population control.

And yes, you're right. I would definitely feel sad if it were one of my loved ones. But - taking the emotion out of the discussion - it really doesn't change the fact that death is a part of life we all face, sooner or later. Death by gun is only a very small fraction of this constant.
Right on.

The current death rate for humans is (drum roll please) 100 percent.

Here's how people die in the US each year:

Number of deaths for leading causes of death

Heart disease: 597,689
Cancer: 574,743
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 138,080
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 129,476
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 120,859
Alzheimer's disease: 83,494
Diabetes: 69,071
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,476
Influenza and Pneumonia: 50,097
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 38,364
FASTSTATS - Leading Causes of Death

Here's the breakdown on the ANNUAL number of deaths by homicide - and then deaths by homicide via a firearm:

All homicides
Number of deaths: 16,259
Deaths per 100,000 population: 5.3

Firearm homicides
Number of deaths: 11,078
Deaths per 100,000 population: 3.6 (note that it's only a little over half the TOTAL number of deaths by homicide - which means that over 1/3 of homicides in the US are done WITHOUT A GUN.)
FASTSTATS - Homicide

Now - let's look at all accidental deaths:

All unintentional injury deaths
Number of deaths: 120,859
Deaths per 100,000 population: 39.1
Cause of death rank: 5

Unintentional fall deaths
Number of deaths: 26,009
Deaths per 100,000 population: 8.4

Motor vehicle traffic deaths
Number of deaths: 33,687
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.9

Unintentional poisoning deaths
Number of deaths: 33,041
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.7
FASTSTATS - Accidents or Unintentional Injuries

Death by firearms is not in the top ten causes of death in the US. FALLS and accidental poisoning cause more deaths than firearms.
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Old 01-17-2013, 04:38 PM
 
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32,000 deaths (just killings included)....NOT homicides
Allow me to introduce you to the F.B.II. data set.

FBI — Expanded Offense Data
FBI — Expanded Homicide Data Table 1
FBI — Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

Homicide: 12,664
Male: 9,829
Female: 2,813

Firearms: 8,583
Handguns: 6,220
Shotguns: 356
Rifles: 323 - An unknown subset is the scary black rifle.
Other guns: 97

Other Methods: 4081
Cutting instruments: 496
Hands, feet, etc: 728

Poison: 5
Explosives: 12 - This is 12x higher than in 2007! Quick, let's ban explosives!
Fire: 75
Narcotics: 29 - Not sure how this is a homicide...
Drowning: 15
Strangulation: 85
Asphyxiation: 89
Weapon/ method not stated: 853
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Old 01-17-2013, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Wouldn't you want to lower healthcare costs?
Health care costs for dead people is very low.
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Old 01-17-2013, 04:49 PM
 
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Right on.

The current death rate for humans is (drum roll please) 100 percent.

Here's how people die in the US each year:

Number of deaths for leading causes of death

Heart disease: 597,689
Cancer: 574,743
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 138,080
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 129,476
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 120,859
Alzheimer's disease: 83,494
Diabetes: 69,071
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,476
Influenza and Pneumonia: 50,097
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 38,364
FASTSTATS - Leading Causes of Death

Here's the breakdown on the ANNUAL number of deaths by homicide - and then deaths by homicide via a firearm:

All homicides
Number of deaths: 16,259
Deaths per 100,000 population: 5.3

Firearm homicides
Number of deaths: 11,078
Deaths per 100,000 population: 3.6 (note that it's only a little over half the TOTAL number of deaths by homicide - which means that over 1/3 of homicides in the US are done WITHOUT A GUN.)
FASTSTATS - Homicide

Now - let's look at all accidental deaths:

All unintentional injury deaths
Number of deaths: 120,859
Deaths per 100,000 population: 39.1
Cause of death rank: 5

Unintentional fall deaths
Number of deaths: 26,009
Deaths per 100,000 population: 8.4

Motor vehicle traffic deaths
Number of deaths: 33,687
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.9

Unintentional poisoning deaths
Number of deaths: 33,041
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.7
FASTSTATS - Accidents or Unintentional Injuries

Death by firearms is not in the top ten causes of death in the US. FALLS and accidental poisoning cause more deaths than firearms.
Thanks for those statistics. The way that causes of death is categorized by the CDC, they don't have a category for "firearm-related deaths" to my knowledge. But I think, and I could be wrong, but for their most recent mortality data , if you add up deaths from suicide, homicide, and accidental injury due to firearms, the total is higher than deaths from motor vehicle accidents. I know it's hard to believe. I'll have to go back and check, and once I find it I'll provide a link.
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Old 01-17-2013, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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It's almost incomprehensible the toll of gun injury and violence in the U.S when you look at the numbers.

Each year in the U.S. there are about 32,000 deaths due to firearms a year, about 2,666 a month.

The most recent data indicates that in a one year period there were 19,392 suicides and 12,000 homicides by firearm. Guns were used in 350,000 violent crimes of rape, sexual assault, robbery, aggravated and simple assault---about 1000 incidents a day.

This costs the U.S. about $4.7 billion annually including costs for medical care, mental health, emergency transport, police, criminal justice and lost taxes.

When lost productivity, lost quality of life, and pain and suffering are added to medical costs, estimates of the annual cost of firearm violence range from $20 billion to $100 billion.


FASTSTATS - Suicide and Self-Inflicted Injury
Firearms and Crime Statistics
John Rosenthal: Health Care Costs and Gun Violence
Absolutely horrendous.
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