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No. You are wrong. It was called Derivative Marriage. Under the Act of 10 February 1855 (a naturalization law at the time), a woman automatically became an American upon marrying a U.S. citizen or following the naturalization of her foreign husband.
And the woman never lost her other citizenship. sorry, but most countries require that you renounce it in person or through a lawyer or in writing at a consulate.
An Irish Citizen retains their citizenship despite marrying another person in another country. which is why Kennedy was also an Irish citizen (so is Obama).
Under birther mantra, a person cannot have dual citizenship and be a natural born citizen. so, children born to these mothers, despite being naturalized through marriage, also obtained Dual citizenship (since most countries pass citizenship through blood relation (jus sanguinis)). So these children can't be natural born citizens, according to birthers.
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Kelly v. Owen, 74 U.S. 7 Wall. 496 (1868). So as we can see, a “natural born Citizen” can be produced by being born in the U.S. to naturalized parents who are “citizens of the United States. That means Arus, when little Woodrow and Herbert were born to two newly married U.S. Citizen parents, they automatically became true authentic natural born citizens eligible for Article 2 Section 1.
Love how birthers say one thing then use a court case to prove another thing. You can't have it both ways Steve. Since naturalized mothers at the time, had dual citizenship, they passed on their previous citizenship to their children, thereby causing them to have dual citizenship.
Can you or can you not have dual citizenship and be a natural born citizen? Think hard on this before you answer
And the woman never lost her other citizenship. sorry, but most countries require that you renounce it in person or through a lawyer or in writing at a consulate.
An Irish Citizen retains their citizenship despite marrying another person in another country. which is why Kennedy was also an Irish citizen (so is Obama).
Under birther mantra, a person cannot have dual citizenship and be a natural born citizen. so, children born to these mothers, despite being naturalized through marriage, also obtained Dual citizenship (since most countries pass citizenship through blood relation (jus sanguinis)). So these children can't be natural born citizens, according to birthers.
Love how birthers say one thing then use a court case to prove another thing. You can't have it both ways Steve. Since naturalized mothers at the time, had dual citizenship, they passed on their previous citizenship to their children, thereby causing them to have dual citizenship.
Can you or can you not have dual citizenship and be a natural born citizen? Think hard on this before you answer
No you are completely confused over this whole situation. If Obama's dad would have naturalized and become a citizen of the U.S. and married his U.S. citizen wife Stanley Ann and baby Barack was born afterwards, then he would have been a true natural born Citizen born to two U.S. citizen parents. But since Barack Sr didn't naturalize and was a British Subject when he married her and baby Barack was born afterward, Barack Sr's British Subject status also governed the birth status of Jr making him a dual citizen. That made him a statutory 14th amendment U.S. citizen and OK for him to be qualified for the Senate of House of representatives, hence nobody brought any of his citizenship status up when he ran for the U.S.Senate...........but it did not make him eligible for Article 2 Section 1.
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A statutory citizen (bestowed by man's pen) can never be a "natural born" citizen (bestowed by God/nature).
No you are completely confused over this whole situation.
No I'm not.
The women gained US Citizenship upon. THEY did not lose their original citizenship. The women would have to FORMALLY renounce her citizenship of her origin country in order to "lose" it and not be a dual citizen. Each country has their ways of renouncement. Some countries have no formal renunciation process so that person remains a citizen of that country till they die.
So a woman who has X citizenship from a X country that has no renunciation policies, marries a US Citizen man, thereby becoming a US citizen through marriage. She however, has not lost her original citizenship, thereby making her now a DUAL citizen. The Citizenship law of X country says that citizenship is passed through blood, so whatever children she has from that marriage will now have US Citizenship (by birth on US Soil or birth to at least ONE citizen parent) and X Citizenship because of the dual citizenship held by the mother.
Birthers claim: you cannot have dual citizenship and be a natural born citizen.
so, you can't have it both ways Steve.
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If Obama's dad would have naturalized and become a citizen of the U.S. and married his U.S. citizen wife Stanley Ann and baby Barack was born afterwards, then he would have been a true natural born Citizen born to two U.S. citizen parents.
Not according to 200 years of established case law.
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But since Barack Sr didn't naturalize and was a British Subject when he married her and baby Barack was born afterward, Barack Sr's British Subject status also governed the birth status of Jr making him a dual citizen. That made him a statutory 14th amendment U.S. citizen and OK for him to be qualified for the Senate of House of representatives, hence nobody brought any of his citizenship status up when he ran for the U.S.Senate...........but it did not make him eligible for Article 2 Section 1.
and this is a classic Steve Claim. Only RACISTS and white supremacists use the term "14th Amendment citizen". and Steve was known to use the 14th Amendment Citizen rant in nearly every birther thread he participated in.
So steve outs himself yet again.
there is no such thing as a 14th Amendment Citizen. There are only two types of citizens in this country, BORN a citizen (natural born) or became a citizen through naturalization (Naturalized). The 14th Amendment simply reiterated the two types of citizens in this country.
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A statutory citizen (bestowed by man's pen) can never be a "natural born" citizen (bestowed by God/nature).
Sorry, but GOD doesn't control citizenship in our country. Our laws do. The US Constitution does and its CONGRESS who establishes citizenship laws. 200 years of case law and 500 years of Anglo Saxon law says you are full of it.
there is no such thing as a 14th Amendment Citizen.
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Yes there is. Wong Kim Ark was affirmed a citizen by virtue of the 14th Amendment. He was never affirmed the specific term a 'natural born Citizen'. You see, people eligible for the presidency have no first generation ties to a foreign nation, whereas ineligible persons always do. All statutory citizens are born with a tie to another nation by birthplace and/or blood, but NEVER is that the case with any natural born citizens who are only American. Take Ronald Reagan for example. He had no choice about his citizenship. By blood and by place of birth, he was a "natural born" American citizen. No law bestowed his citizenship upon him. His father was an American. His mother was an American. He was born in America. He was a "natural born" American. He was born with 'sole' allegiance to the United States due to both parents being U.S. citizens.
No there isn't. Otherwise, you are claiming that EVERY single woman in the United States are "14th Amendment Citizens". Before the 14th Amendment, women were NOT considered citizens.
The 14th Amendment, clearly establishes that there are two types of citizens. Natural born (born), and Naturalized (made a citizen through naturalization).
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Wong Kim Ark was affirmed a citizen by virtue of the 14th Amendment.
Yes the 14th Amendment established that Wong Kim Ark was a citizen from birth, since the Chinese Exclusion Act that existed at the time Ark was born and through out his life, disallowed those of Chinese descent from naturalizing to be citizens. You already know this Steve, as its been told you ad nauseum in the various birther threads you have participated in, through your various forum personas.
Since Ark couldn't naturalize because of the law, he had to be a citizen of the US because he was born. The lower courts said he was a citizen by birth . The US appealed that decision all the way to SCOTUS, where SCOTUS affirmed the lower courts decision.
Even the Dissenting opinion in Ark, was concerned that a person born on US Soil could run for President, but a person born to US Citizens abroad, could not (the laws at the time didn't afford those born to Citizen parents abroad citizenship status).
The majority opinion spent nearly 7 pages on how the term Natural Born Citizen was derived.
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He was never affirmed the specific term a 'natural born Citizen'.
By being born a citizen, you are a natural born citizen. They didn't need to use the specific term since it was a known issue that being born a citizen, means you are a natural born. they spent 7 pages explaining that in the decision.
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You see, Persons, eligible for the presidency, have no first generation ties to a foreign nation, whereas ineligible persons always do.
Ultimate bovine excrement. Please show us this passage in the US Constitution that says this. Please show us the US LAW that says this.
Thomas Jefferson was tied to France, by being an Ambassador to France (he through his writings, extolled HIS LOVE of the French and FRANCE) and was granted FRENCH Citizenship prior to BECOMING President of the United States. He had dual citizenship while he was President.
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All statutory citizens are born with a tie to another nation by birthplace and/or blood, but NEVER is that the case with any natural born citizens who are only American.
This is sovereign citizen bovine excrement. Only sovereign citizens talk about "statutory" citizenship.
BTW: The 14th Amendment is not a statute. Its part of the Constitution. So no one born in the US is a statutory citizen. Only naturalized (since naturalization process are governed by laws) are statutory citizens.
so steve buys into more bovine excrement theories.
No there isn't. Otherwise, you are claiming that EVERY single woman in the United States are "14th Amendment Citizens". Before the 14th Amendment, women were NOT considered citizens.
The 14th Amendment, clearly establishes that there are two types of citizens. Natural born (born), and Naturalized (made a citizen through naturalization).
Yes the 14th Amendment established that Wong Kim Ark was a citizen from birth, since the Chinese Exclusion Act that existed at the time Ark was born and through out his life, disallowed those of Chinese descent from naturalizing to be citizens. You already know this Steve, as its been told you ad nauseum in the various birther threads you have participated in, through your various forum personas.
Since Ark couldn't naturalize because of the law, he had to be a citizen of the US because he was born. The lower courts said he was a citizen by birth . The US appealed that decision all the way to SCOTUS, where SCOTUS affirmed the lower courts decision.
Even the Dissenting opinion in Ark, was concerned that a person born on US Soil could run for President, but a person born to US Citizens abroad, could not (the laws at the time didn't afford those born to Citizen parents abroad citizenship status).
The majority opinion spent nearly 7 pages on how the term Natural Born Citizen was derived.
By being born a citizen, you are a natural born citizen. They didn't need to use the specific term since it was a known issue that being born a citizen, means you are a natural born. they spent 7 pages explaining that in the decision.
Ultimate bovine excrement. Please show us this passage in the US Constitution that says this. Please show us the US LAW that says this.
Thomas Jefferson was tied to France, by being an Ambassador to France (he through his writings, extolled HIS LOVE of the French and FRANCE) and was granted FRENCH Citizenship prior to BECOMING President of the United States. He had dual citizenship while he was President.
This is sovereign citizen bovine excrement. Only sovereign citizens talk about "statutory" citizenship.
BTW: The 14th Amendment is not a statute. Its part of the Constitution. So no one born in the US is a statutory citizen. Only naturalized (since naturalization process are governed by laws) are statutory citizens.
so steve buys into more bovine excrement theories.
Jefferson was grandfathered in. He accepted a honorary citizenship from France. There is a difference, such as an honorary degree does not make one a actual graduate of the bestowing college, neither does honorary citizenship make one a citizen of the actual bestowing country. It only an expression of gratitude and respect and not a call for allegiance. While being born to parents who hold different citizenship, naturally bestows upon a child dual citizenship and dual allegiances which is the cause of concern.
and he obtained French citizenship after the grandfathering, and before he became president.
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He accepted a honorary citizenship from France.
Not according to France. They say they made him a full citizen. Not an honorary citizen (there is no such thing). You are either a citizen or you're not. there is no "in-between".
Jefferson - Dual citizen
JF Kennedy - Triple Citizen
Spiro Agnew - Dual citizen
Clinton - Dual Citizen
Bush - Dual Citizen
Bush Sr - Dual citizen
and not matter how you misinterpret the laws, SCOTUS has already ruled that by being born on US Soil, you are natural born citizen.
Jefferson - Dual citizen
JF Kennedy - Triple Citizen
Spiro Agnew - Dual citizen
Clinton - Dual Citizen
Bush - Dual Citizen
Bush Sr - Dual citizen
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Jefferson - Dual citizen----Wrong-U.S. Citizen covered by Article 2 Grandfather Clause
JF Kennedy - Triple Citizen----Wrong-U.S. Natural Born Citizen born to two U.S. Citizen parents (plural).
Spiro Agnew - Dual citizen----Wrong-U.S. Natural Born Citizen born to two U.S. Citizen parents.
Clinton - Dual Citizen----Wrong-U.S. Natural Born Citizen born to two U.S. Citizen parents.
Bush - Dual Citizen----Wrong-U.S. Natural Born Citizen born to two U.S. Citizen parents.
Bush Sr - Dual citizen----Wrong-U.S. Natural Born Citizen born to two U.S. Citizen parents.
I think he is hiding something, too. Something during his college years and maybe high school
The birther thing is just nuts, though.
Because you think he may be hiding something you are a deluded birther. Welcome to the club.
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