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The 2nd amendment was written for that age when there was no law enforcement and everyone had to defend themselves. Times have changed though and we need to adjust to that.
So the language and text has changed to reflect the times of today? Who changed it. It is the same text and in the same context as composed and signed as the rules against the government.
I think it means the right to protect your life and property with firearms. I believe that statement is timeless and will still be legitimate when focused energy weapons become available.
I'll consider giving up my right to bear arms as soon as I'm given 24/7 protection by armed bodyguards. You know, like the people who enact ridiculous gun laws have.
It truly differentiates Americans from other citizens of the world. It says the government guarantees your right to use lethal force if needed to protect your own life. Without the 2nd amendment we may as well take a shovel to this American experiment and give it back to Great Britain.
Amazing that they still think government is there to protect them, isn't it? Especially today when the same people spend so much time and energy trying to convince the people that the police are out to kill anyone who dares look at them.
Because of my looks, right after 9/11 for quite a while I was the one pulled aside in the airport to get special check-in treatment. I was fine with it even though it was a PIA because it was about safety. So if I was on a list, then first I would think I did something stupid to get there and I would fight to get off it.
The proposed legislation was a start. Never said it was a fix. But of course I expect gun owners to stand behind that right without any waivering.
So let's arm everybody and let what would be increased senseless deaths be called collateral damage.
The NRA and gun owners are all about tights etc, yet I have not heard one viable suggestion from that side of the argument either. So keep lambasting me with your gun patriotism and pretend you are always right. The key word I use is to find "compromise", a middle ground. I don't think either side has it right, but all I've seen from the gun advocates is pass out more guns.
What compromise are the gun grabbers giving? Because "we want all of these firearms" then asking for more and more like they have the last 80 years without expansion of gun rights at all isn't comprimise. If you don't know what comprimise means please look it up before posting junk like this. I'll give you universal BG checks, you give me constitutional carry without firearm limits.
The NRA, for all their faults, actually puts together decent suggestions based on *gasp* science and analysis, not fear and feelings. Just because you don't want to hear that that parity of mass shootings are within "gun free zones" doesn't make it any less true.
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Originally Posted by cuebald
I have been a gun owner for nearly 60 of my 64 years. I am not a gun hater, nor do I wish to take away all guns. Neither do I find 33,000 unnecessary deaths by gun violence an acceptable figure.
If gun control is not the answer, then we need people control. I would love to hear from the 2A absolutists what they think can be done about it, and no, "nothing" is not the answer.
Suicide is now "gun violence". Hold on let me ask my psychologist friend who is working in patient today... nope she says you are an idiot and that mental health can lead to violent encounters but we don't call suicide by gun violence any more then the person who OD'S by pills "pharmaceutical violence".
Back to me; this is why a lot of the pro gun folks ignore people like you and laugh at your suggestions. You feel the need to add to the aggregate to pad a number. Even when you add in every negative encounter like the Brady Campaign does you end up with a per-firearm rate of <0.03% negative use. That's about 3x less then the mortality rates of common medications.
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The Founding Fathers never envisioned breech loading weapons let alone todays weaponry. I can't imagine Benjamin Franklin thinking it would be a good idea letting common people have guns with magazines or guns that can hit a target a mile away.
That said, they certainly wouldn't approve of police forces or a military like todays either. These have no place in the Founding and have done almost nothing except frustrate its intentions.
Look, let's make a deal. We keep it civil and not call you out on being a bumbling fool who has no historic references (because there were breach loaders, magazine fed arms, and repeaters) and you do us the favor of looking things up. This is probably the 10th thread (and I bet this has either been talked about in this thread or another firearms thread on the first page) where gun folks have had to educate anti-gun hoplophobics on facts. It's tiring.
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Amazing that they still think government is there to protect them, isn't it? Especially today when the same people spend so much time and energy trying to convince the people that the police are out to kill anyone who dares look at them.
They never heard of the Warren case. It would shatter their world's to know that the government will not protect you. They will need some safe spaces when they find out that regular folks protect themselves with a gun and stop crime more often then police. They will need therapy when they learn that regular civilians shoot better in a bad guy situation then police.
I love when people bring up the whole weapons of the time thing.
Not sure the Founding Fathers invisioned social media, tv and the internet when they wrote the 1st.
They had the quill in their hand and the ink bottle close by.... The quill could just have easy been very specific. The right to keep & bear a musket, powder, & ball, was just strokes away......
But they wrote "ARMS" so that it remained wide open and unlimited, for the individual to choose for themselves, what Arms they would keep and bear as technology advanced.
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