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Old 01-21-2013, 04:30 PM
 
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Firearms in the hands of law abiding citizens are not a threat to society - they are the very guardians against tyranny which is the reason why the right of people to bear them is protected.

Mentally unstable people aren't capable of effectively preserving liberty.

You should read the Federalist Papers.
Being mentally ill is not a crime, so unless they have commtted another crime, they are law abiding citizens
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Old 01-21-2013, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Firearms in the hands of law abiding citizens are not a threat to society - they are the very guardians against tyranny which is the reason why the right of people to bear them is protected.

Mentally unstable people aren't capable of effectively preserving liberty.

You should read the Federalist Papers.
Except when those law abiding citizens leave their guns where anyone can get them. Then they are a threat to society by their negligence.
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Old 01-21-2013, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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It also says nothing about felons, but you never hear the NRA whining and crying about felons' inability to get weaponry.

Why?

Because most felons are black democrats, and the NRA is a Republican organization. Not a conservative organization, and not a gun organization.
You are seriously misinformed.

The NRA has many Democrat members.

Making this a racial issue is just pathetic - not to mention that your "logic" is simply absurd.
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Old 01-21-2013, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Except when those law abiding citizens leave their guns where anyone can get them. Then they are a threat to society by their negligence.
The weapons used in Newtown were not left where anybody could get them.

Adam Lanza was able to access them - which is why we need to work on identifying mentally unstable people and treating them so that such tragedies might be prevented.
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Old 01-21-2013, 04:34 PM
 
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You are seriously misinformed.

The NRA has many Democrat members.

Making this a racial issue is just pathetic - not to mention that your "logic" is simply absurd.
You've articulated why your feelings are hurt and generated a very emotional response, and I appreciate that.

But the purpose of message boards is to articulate why someone you disagree with is wrong. Saying someones "logic" (get it? In quotes! Cuz' it's not really logic!) is absurd isn't a rebuttal, it's a whine.

Where in the second amendment does it say folks who used to sell pot shouldn't be allowed to have weaponry?
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Old 01-21-2013, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Being mentally ill is not a crime, so unless they have commtted another crime, they are law abiding citizens
Do you have any evidence to support that the framers intended for mentally unstable persons to be given freedom to keep and bear arms?

No?

Then stop deflecting and discuss the issue.
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Old 01-21-2013, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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What about age requirements? Aren't we citizens at birth? Why can't a 12 year old go buy a gun, they are citizens too. Their constitutional rights are being infringed.
You are trying to make a point with the sarcastic posts, but it's a pretty bad point. Everyone knows being a threat to public safety often times nullifies personal rights.
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Old 01-21-2013, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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You've articulated why your feelings are hurt and generated a very emotional response, and I appreciate that.

But the purpose of message boards is to articulate why someone you disagree with is wrong. Saying someones "logic" (get it? In quotes! Cuz' it's not really logic!) is absurd isn't a rebuttal, it's a whine.

Where in the second amendment does it say folks who used to sell pot shouldn't be allowed to have weaponry?
Rule number one of argumentation is that the burden of proof is on the one making the argument.

You failed to support your assertion, and until you do(which you can't) then I will label it absurd(which it is).
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Old 01-21-2013, 04:37 PM
 
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You are trying to make a point with the sarcastic posts, but it's a pretty bad point. Everyone knows being a threat to public safety often times nullifies personal rights.
"everyone knows" isn't going to hold up in court.

Gun folks are obsessed with verbatim Second Amendment instructions; they quote it constantly to justify their right to bear arms. You can't pick and choose when we need to follow the 2nd Amendment verbatim versus when we should avoid doing so based on the "...well everybody knows.." standard.
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Old 01-21-2013, 04:38 PM
 
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Do you have any evidence to support that the framers intended for mentally unstable persons to be given freedom to keep and bear arms?

No?

Then stop deflecting and discuss the issue.
Do you have any evidence to support the contrary?

No?

Then stop deflecting and discuss the issue. Why are you infringing on the rights of law abiding Americans!!!!
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