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And it is even more funny to think that the people living out in the sticks thinks they will be living in some sort of la-la land with nothing to worry about because they can grow some crops. Humans have a great ability to adapt and we have a country full of weapons and I am sure there are plenty of those gun owners that could care less about other gun owners when it comes time of need and someone is willing to take something from someone else.
Problem there is a I can smell you 3 days before i can hear you... By the time you showed up i would already be sighted in...
And like i said a day or 2 before harvest is wasted labor... In shtf anyone who wastes resources and labor will probably die of their own folly and it won't matter to anyone else. After harvest and i would just laff..
So you get maybe a week if you want to die for corn on the cob. maybe till late fall if you want to be potatoe fertilizer...... In shtf the last thing i will worry about is any silly laws.
Now for a fact in shtf you won't find me wanting In to any city... My problem is hearing over years of time city dwellers coming into my area that in shtf they plan to come here...
There is nothing in northern NH for city dwellers in shtf.. Everything is wasted labor...
On the weekend they come now in droves to ski...... They make a major exodus come late sunday afternoon, and the stores don't get stocked again til Thursday LOL
The whole solution is simple ...... In shtf don't go to rural areas where no one knows you... And if you do don't just decide what you see if free to steal, unless death from above seems interesting.
For sure if something like this ever happens any one i shoot at will die and they will never have seen me once. The deer I have shot never see me either.... They have no idea they were shot because they usually just drop dead. a few may look around to see what the noise was and then they tip over dead.
I have been hunting with flintlocks now for more than 30 years.. So I am a fair shot, an i don't take any risks... Once i send a round ball out it does exactly what it was supposed to do.... I don't need any silly 5 shots to take a deer.
And more than once I have taken my legal limit of partridge which is 5 birds for the day, with one shot from either a 12 ga shot gun or a flintlock smooth bore. I don't mean to do that, it just happens.
La La land because we can grow crops and can them? Ok what ever you say.... of the power is off 4 days are you willing to eat what ever is in your freezer?
If there is no power for gasoline at the pumps do you have enough to make it to Ohio where power might be?
Don't drink, and can't recall the last time I was in a bar... last summer out riding motorcycles in the White mts I guess. Bars are just nasty places to be unless they are out doors.
To each his own. I will take a sushi and saki bar any day over hiking through the woods.
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Maybe, if you say so. The state sells it for 70 bucks a gallon, but i think that's a tad high. But you can keep your hat on. BTW do you listen to Joe Cocker?
I have never once heard a song by Joe Cocker. $70/gallon seems like a lot of work for not a lot of effort, when I can make extra money by playing the markets in my free time.
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You work out and breath city air
I work out in a gym...and this isn't 1970, and isn't Beijing, so city air isn't bad at all today.
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I find this surprising... Any city people i ever saw were looking away from everyone, dressed in shades of gray, trying to blend in to the concrete jungle.
I am not sure what cities you have been to, but my neighbors have always been extremely helpful. There is a better sense of neighborhood and community in a city than in most rural areas, where it seems like people look out for themselves and their own above their neighbor.
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tsk tsk tsk That 1998 ice storm took out power in all of NE, most of NY, maybe all, for all I know, A good part of eastern Canada, and I never did know just how far south. No thousands came out because for hundreds of miles no one could buy gas and Fema never did bring any.. Maybe Fema didn't exist i don't know but I do know which power and timber companies came and from where because i still got the letters from helping them too. Unless you were handy with a chain saw and owned a plow truck with gas stored away, your idea of help by talking wouldn't get a damn thing done. That isn't the kind of help people needed city dweller.
I don't mind getting by for a few days without power, even in the winter, and I really don't need gas for anything. If you recall, cities are still standing, even after those kind of storms.
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I am not wasting anything, and in fact am rather frugal. I love living out in the boonies in NH and have for most of my life so far. I don't really care what happens to the economy, and your toy paper notes which are quite worthless. Unless you can use these to wipe your butt, I don't see the point of all the whining about taxes and assorted other cash related problems as each Buck is only worth 4 cents.
It takes 26 or more of them to buy 1 silver dollar, making a old silver dime worth $2.60. That isn't enough of a problem for me to get worked up about.
lol...so you don't believe in modern market economics? You keep to your boonies letting life pass you by and I will keep to actually living my life in modern society. My 'toy paper notes' gave me ownership of a house in my early 20's, the ability to travel the world, the ability to enjoy fine dining, and will give me the ability to not work and be sure that my living, health care, etc. is cared for when I am older, and that I don't have to rely on something such as my personal physical labor.
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I make my garden what it is and i don't need to worry even if i lose that..... The forest can supply anything I want.
The forest can supply money for health care when you need it? The forest can supply someone to put out a fire at your home when you physically can't do it yourself? The forest can supply funds to live for 30 years without working, and without having to rely on your physical labor (which could fail at any time)? I am not sure what forest you are talking about, but I don't quite believe you.
Back to the original article, should we start prepping in case of an alien attack? Or prepping in case a meteor hits the earth and causes a new ice age? Why should I take any article seriously which has a premise based in events that will never happen?
The man who wrote that article which pretty much lambastes suburban and urban living lives in Tucson, AZ. Other than that being pretty contradictory, Its a good article. Somewhat apocalyptic and slightly paranoid, but makes some good points.
To each his own. I will take a sushi and saki bar any day over hiking through the woods.
I have never once heard a song by Joe Cocker. $70/gallon seems like a lot of work for not a lot of effort, when I can make extra money by playing the markets in my free time.
I work out in a gym...and this isn't 1970, and isn't Beijing, so city air isn't bad at all today.
I am not sure what cities you have been to, but my neighbors have always been extremely helpful. There is a better sense of neighborhood and community in a city than in most rural areas, where it seems like people look out for themselves and their own above their neighbor.
I don't mind getting by for a few days without power, even in the winter, and I really don't need gas for anything. If you recall, cities are still standing, even after those kind of storms.
lol...so you don't believe in modern market economics? You keep to your boonies letting life pass you by and I will keep to actually living my life in modern society. My 'toy paper notes' gave me ownership of a house in my early 20's, the ability to travel the world, the ability to enjoy fine dining, and will give me the ability to not work and be sure that my living, health care, etc. is cared for when I am older, and that I don't have to rely on something such as my personal physical labor.
The forest can supply money for health care when you need it? The forest can supply someone to put out a fire at your home when you physically can't do it yourself? The forest can supply funds to live for 30 years without working, and without having to rely on your physical labor (which could fail at any time)? I am not sure what forest you are talking about, but I don't quite believe you.
Back to the original article, should we start prepping in case of an alien attack? Or prepping in case a meteor hits the earth and causes a new ice age? Why should I take any article seriously which has a premise based in events that will never happen?
Well you seem to be someplace where there is no winter..... I don't think you understand. and i wasn't even talking with you when you barged in and had your say. With no profile and your being so vague I just don't care a bit about what it is you think.....
All you brave folks with no profiles always have something to say and it is indisputable Vicki.
Well you seem to be someplace where there is no winter..... I don't think you understand. and i wasn't even talking with you when you barged in and had your say. With no profile and your being so vague I just don't care a bit about what it is you think.....
All you brave folks with no profiles always have something to say and it is indisputable Vicki.
What exactly are you talking about? I have been actively posting on this board since 2007. I have little to apologize for about my 'lack of profile', but I do apologize if I don't want to post personal information about myself in a place where complete strangers can view it. We were having a conversation, you know...the reason we come onto a public message board? If you think that my responding to a conversation posted on a public board is 'barging in', then you need to grow a thicker skin. You want to know more about me? Look at my posting history. I have been active on this site for a while, I am sure you can find it. I don't have a profile because I don't want the kind of person who actually thinks maple syrup will eventually become a form of currency to have any chance of finding out who I am in real life.
I really couldn't care less what someone else does. If you enjoy your life, then great! Be happy. I was responding to you because your obviously blind contempt for anything related to a city as well as your insane end of the world scenarios is nothing short of baffling to me.
Not every farmer has livestock. Some just grow crops.
Farmers farm and ranchers raise livestock.
The guy who grows and bales hay may not have any animals but has access to meat from all the ranchers he delivers his hay to.
Plenty of farmers and ranchers hunt and fish as well.
And ranchers farm. Only the number of critters decides which is which. All the members of my family on both sides did both for 5 generations, counting my own generation. The 2 generations that have followed mine are evidence of the changes in America, as only half of them work the soil and grow the animals.
Half of my early life was lived on a ranch with no electricity, telephone, or indoor plumbing in high Idaho country, but part of that outfit was farmed, and the house always had a big garden. The other half was lived in the valley in a farmhouse with all the conveniences, but we kept some cattle down there, and that place was where we did our butchering and canning. We raised wheat, hay, cattle and horses in equal measure, and had an apple orchard and at least 2 gardens going every year.
Sure- we all hunt and fish. But we lived on the cattle, sheep, and hogs my extended family all raised, and we ate our own vegetables, and ground our own wheat. We sold most of the wheat and cattle, sold all of the wool, and lived much of our lives just as city folks do. Half of us eventually moved into town, but we never left the soil.
All that apocalyptic junk people envision happening is fiction. If our society was somehow destroyed, people in the country would take city refugees in, because more labor would be needed if the power was gone for good. Everyone would have to work harder and spend longer days, but in subsistance living, the lone individuals and single families would have a very much harder time surviving for long.
The more remote a family is, the worse it will be for them. People inhabit the places that are best suited for living first. Wilderness may sound romantic, and it is beautiful, but you can't eat the scenery. And this is not the 19th century. Game is scarcer and harder to hunt now. And game grows skinny in bad times. Domestic animals eat better because they tolerate human presence, and humans care for them. They are easier to catch and kill. And we would all be eating much less meat because domestic animals would not be available at every grocery, wrapped in plastic.
It takes a good sized group of people, each acting co-operatively, to live out their lives well in a 19th century manner. Violence would certainly occur, but the ravening hordes would not. All one has to do is look at how Europe did after the wars to get a realistic picture of how life would actually be without any of our modern and convenient elements.
Germany's cities were reduced to rubble, but city folks survived in them and did not leave. Farms were also destroyed, but the farmers lived on. The British moved their kids from cities to the country, and made do in their rubble, and went out to the farms and helped bring in the crops so their kids would survive. Families helped each other out. Strangers took others in. They ran the crooks off. They put their local governments in order as soon as they could.
They set about rebuilding.
That's what would happen here. That's how it is in real life. We are all in this together.
No. Out in rural places we have elected officials called Sheriff's and Deputies not Police. They would not stand a chance against armed rural America. There is a good reason we have the 2nd amendment.
They could try, though.....
Keeping food away from people is not why we have a 2nd amendment.
It's interesting to listen to people who live in cities continually show detest for the "backwards, uneducated Conservative rednecks" that live in rural America, who produce the food, energy and resources that make living in their city possible.
Did you really seriously say that in a thread crowing about an article that says city people have a socialist mindset and are afraid of guns and are unable to understand why anyone would need a rifle and want to take away all the guns and are unable to understand there are things you may need in the country that you may not need in the city? Did you really say that in a thread crowing about an article that claims city people are afraid to not conform and are afraid of everything they don't understand (This idiot really does claim we're afraid of tractors and farm animals. How stupid can you get??) that claims that cities aren't the "real world? (I am really getting sick of tired of these people who speak of the "real world" as if they're the only ones who live in it) He claims city people are mentally ill and are easy to dominate. (This clown speaks of putting a bullet in somebody's head because you don't like the way they govern as if that's something admirable "Plus, leaders of small towns know that if they try to become tyrants, some local rancher will just put a bullet in their head with a long-range hunting rifle.") It gets even worse when he speaks of the "silver lining" for the future in which he speaks of "a growing class of parasitic takers who contribute nothing meaningful to humankind. We have become, in part, a nation of mindless consumers whose lives really make no different whatsoever to the advancement of humanity" and "parasitic takers" all dying because it would "vastly (reduce) the masses who are holding back civilization from real progress in human understanding and achievement. Then he goes back to simply insulting the city people (the ones he'd like to all die) by calling them "pathetic, spineless, obedient cowards" and says that they support tyranny and opression.
If you're going to whine about country people being insulted this is not the place to do it. It just makes you look stupid
And ranchers farm. Only the number of critters decides which is which. All the members of my family on both sides did both for 5 generations, counting my own generation. The 2 generations that have followed mine are evidence of the changes in America, as only half of them work the soil and grow the animals.
Half of my early life was lived on a ranch with no electricity, telephone, or indoor plumbing in high Idaho country, but part of that outfit was farmed, and the house always had a big garden. The other half was lived in the valley in a farmhouse with all the conveniences, but we kept some cattle down there, and that place was where we did our butchering and canning. We raised wheat, hay, cattle and horses in equal measure, and had an apple orchard and at least 2 gardens going every year.
Sure- we all hunt and fish. But we lived on the cattle, sheep, and hogs my extended family all raised, and we ate our own vegetables, and ground our own wheat. We sold most of the wheat and cattle, sold all of the wool, and lived much of our lives just as city folks do. Half of us eventually moved into town, but we never left the soil.
All that apocalyptic junk people envision happening is fiction. If our society was somehow destroyed, people in the country would take city refugees in, because more labor would be needed if the power was gone for good. Everyone would have to work harder and spend longer days, but in subsistance living, the lone individuals and single families would have a very much harder time surviving for long.
The more remote a family is, the worse it will be for them. People inhabit the places that are best suited for living first. Wilderness may sound romantic, and it is beautiful, but you can't eat the scenery. And this is not the 19th century. Game is scarcer and harder to hunt now. And game grows skinny in bad times. Domestic animals eat better because they tolerate human presence, and humans care for them. They are easier to catch and kill. And we would all be eating much less meat because domestic animals would not be available at every grocery, wrapped in plastic.
It takes a good sized group of people, each acting co-operatively, to live out their lives well in a 19th century manner. Violence would certainly occur, but the ravening hordes would not. All one has to do is look at how Europe did after the wars to get a realistic picture of how life would actually be without any of our modern and convenient elements.
Germany's cities were reduced to rubble, but city folks survived in them and did not leave. Farms were also destroyed, but the farmers lived on. The British moved their kids from cities to the country, and made do in their rubble, and went out to the farms and helped bring in the crops so their kids would survive. Families helped each other out. Strangers took others in. They ran the crooks off. They put their local governments in order as soon as they could.
They set about rebuilding.
That's what would happen here. That's how it is in real life. We are all in this together.
Bingo, great post, I really enjoyed reading and it is probably one of the first realistic thoughts of what would actually happen in this country if we lost power or something major happened to shift how we lived. Also, even after something drastic happening, trading would still be an industry and trading hubs would still exist because it is in our nature to be social creatures and a different form of city would be created, not all cities would survive and new ones would sprout up, but it is easier to do everything one needs in a community than it is to try and do everything yourself.
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