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Old 01-22-2013, 11:03 PM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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I was almost aborted! I was born to a single teenage mother who actually went to the abortion clinic but walked out before talking to one of the people at the facility.

I never the less am 1000% pro choice. And if I was in the situation my mother was that day (a single, 17 year old girl with an 8th grade education), I would totally abort and I have told her this. She too is pro-choice and she believes she raised me well.

I have met so many woman that have had abortions and I am only 25 years old. Every single time a woman confided in me that she did this I thought to myself how great of a choice they made. These women were either totally not fit to be mothers or at that particular time were not fit to be mothers. I know several women today who had abortions in their youth and are great moms now.

My mother chose to keep me and we lived a life of poverty. I wouldn't wish that on any mother and child.
My Mom was catholic, she got married at 17 and was pregnant when she got married. She did not practice birth control because the church forbid it. She had her tubes tied at 31. She was pregnant 10 times in that short time and had 7 live births and 4 misscarriages of 5 children. She was very poor and did migrant farm work, she raised most of us on welfare because she only had four years of schooling. She told me that if she had had the right to choose to not have so many unwanted children, that she would have only had two or three. She loved us all, but it nearly killed her trying to raise us all on very little. I am pro abortion, if my Mom had had to abort me and several of my siblings, at least the ones she had would have had a better and healthier life, as it was, it was a struggle for her to support all of us with a delinquent dad.
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Old 01-22-2013, 11:06 PM
 
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I see - so do you think that we should legalize contract killing to eliminate the black market for such actions?
I don't think that's quite the same thing. What does society gain from contract killing? With abortion, the child doesn't have to have a parent that cannot or doesn't want to take care of it and until we have a culture that provides equal opportunity for all a poor kid will always be disadvantaged.
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Old 01-22-2013, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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I don't think that's quite the same thing. What does society gain from contract killing? With abortion, the child doesn't have to have a parent that cannot or doesn't want to take care of it and until we have a culture that provides equal opportunity for all a poor kid will always be disadvantaged.


Some pro-abortion people have actually invented "benefits" of abortion.

Here is an idea - lets ensure that abortions never may need to take place.

Let's practice abstinence or take other precautions if we don't want to bring a child into the world.

Let's also make sure that the taxpayers aren't required to fund those other precautions.

If you want to play - then you pay.
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Old 01-22-2013, 11:13 PM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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We aren't discussing medical choices - we are discussing abortion.
Abortion is a medical choice.
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Old 01-22-2013, 11:16 PM
 
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Some pro-abortion people have actually invented "benefits" of abortion.

Here is an idea - lets ensure that abortions never may need to take place.

Let's practice abstinence or take other precautions if we don't want to bring a child into the world.

Let's also make sure that the taxpayers aren't required to fund those other precautions.


If you want to play - then you pay.
This isn't realistic, we both know people are going to have sex. Without abortion one way or another the taxpayer is going to pay. If the woman is poor the child will be poor and be in need of social services; if you implement a program designed to improve someone's station in life so they are better able to afford kids the taxpayer will also pay.

A child with a disability will have ssdi for life - paid out of taxpayer funds...
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Old 01-22-2013, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Punished? What in the world are you talking about?

I never said a word about "punishment". Do you think that I said anything about a woman being imprisoned, fined, or executed for having sex? If so - then you have serious reading comprehension issues.

I said that awoman and a man should be responsible for the consequences of their willful actions.

If they create a human life - they should not destroy that life because of convenience - like they would throw away a cockroach.
I would call enduring a pregnancy against my will punishment. Why should a woman be physically punished just because she has sex?

Pregnancy permanently changes a woman's body.....and not in a good way. It can cause incontinence {urinary and fecal} in later life, hemorrhoids, all kinds of nerve damage......pregnancy is not some benign condition that completely goes away after the birth. There is a lot more to it than just gaining weight and stretch marks. These are debiltating conditions that can negatively effect a woman's quality of life until the day she dies.

Pregnancy is not something any woman should be forced to endure against her will just because BC failed.

Easy for you to talk since it can never happen to you.
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Old 01-22-2013, 11:22 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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"Wonderful", "compassionate" people - who make their living destroying human life.
No, respecting life.....women's lives.
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Old 01-22-2013, 11:24 PM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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Putting a child up for adoption also haunts some women for the rest of their lives. Should we ban adoption?
My Mom put one of her 7 children up for adoption, it did haunt her to the day she died. She hated to do it, but with all the kids she had and no secure way to support them, it was the best option she had. She really never should have had the 7 kids or the 10 pregnancies over 14 years.
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Old 01-22-2013, 11:31 PM
 
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I would call enduring a pregnancy against my will punishment. Why should a woman be physically punished just because she has sex?

Pregnancy permanently changes a woman's body.....and not in a good way. It can cause incontinence {urinary and fecal} in later life, hemorrhoids, all kinds of nerve damage......pregnancy is not some benign condition that completely goes away after the birth. There is a lot more to it than just gaining weight and stretch marks. These are debiltating conditions that can negatively effect a woman's quality of life until the day she dies.

Pregnancy is not something any woman should be forced to endure against her will just because BC failed.

Easy for you to talk since it can never happen to you.
You make it sound like a disease. Most women would not say that.
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Old 01-22-2013, 11:37 PM
 
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