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Old 01-25-2013, 06:31 PM
 
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How does McDonalds waste taxpayer money? What corporate welfare are you talking about?
The Food Stamp subsidy so that they can keep their wages low.

Corporate Welfare which attacks your beloved 'free market'
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Old 01-26-2013, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Most of your posts are just a silly rant. Most of the fast food places do none of things you say they do.

How does McDonalds (the correct spelling) exploit 3rd world farmers? They pay fair wages for very simple work. How does McDonalds waste taxpayer money? What corporate welfare are you talking about?

Fast food is just one of many choices people have to eat. They serve a purpose. The food is inexpensive, some is relatively tasty, and it is fast. I don't eat fast food often, but I think an Egg McMuffin is pretty tasty and their coffee is good. I had a Wendys spicy chicken sandwich not long ago and I like it.

It is a choice to eat at these places and you are welcome to eat elsewhere. But I know you are a socialist and you want the government to decide these things for everyone.
The main reason I don't eat at McDonalds in Dodge City is that they are just across a narrow street from Sonic and I prefer the Sonic choices and like to eat in my car.

Fast food is not really good at all places but there seem to be enough people willing to eat at all of them for them to remain in business. I don't believe the government putting them out of business would be so good since although the car hops at my Sonic may not earn a lot there are women there who have been there for many years. They are all Hispanic except for a black or two.
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Old 01-26-2013, 10:19 PM
 
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they do provide jobs, agreed, but how well would they fare without the corporate subsidy?
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Old 01-27-2013, 12:20 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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they do provide jobs, agreed, but how well would they fare without the corporate subsidy?
We should end them and find out.
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Old 01-27-2013, 01:12 AM
 
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they do provide jobs, agreed, but how well would they fare without the corporate subsidy?
Whether people get food stamps or not is entirely independent of what McDonalds pays its employees. There is no connection whatsoever between them. There is no McDonalds Employee Subsidy given to their workers so that McDonalds can pay them artificially low wages. That is pure fantasy. If you got your way and companies were forced to pay all employees a wage that disqualified them from getting food stamps, then the need for government welfare would go up rather than down. Because the companies would be forced to cut their labor forces drastically resulting in hundreds of thousands if not millions of additional unemployed people. Do you not get the idea that not all companies are billion dollar enterprises with vast profits? Do you not get that small business employs far more people than big corporations?
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Old 01-27-2013, 02:47 AM
 
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I wouldn't quite do it in this way.

I say: Cut the food stamp program to all people that work full time.

Then, over time, this will have an upward pressure on wages, in which case Macdonalds etc. will have to raise wages.

This is commonly called 'Free market forces'

yet you seem to have an issue with it.

and if MacD's lays off workers, then let Burger King take them.

competition will ensue, and that is the idea
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:00 AM
 
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I wouldn't quite do it in this way.

I say: Cut the food stamp program to all people that work full time.

Then, over time, this will have an upward pressure on wages, in which case Macdonalds etc. will have to raise wages.

This is commonly called 'Free market forces'

yet you seem to have an issue with it.

and if MacD's lays off workers, then let Burger King take them.

competition will ensue, and that is the idea
The problem is that some people who work at Mc. D don't need the food stamps or don't get them at all. The single mother for instance needs the food stamps to feed her childred esp. if there are more than one of them. The teenager working a summer job on the other hand does not qualify for food stamps and could easily do with less money(i.e. it is just spending money for him as he likely still lives at home or maybe goes to college).

Depending on the poverty level and the min. wage per state even a lone person working full time at mc. D might not qualify for food stamps. I think in a perfect world the min wage would be something like $10.00 an hour or so. That would both take in account inflation and put the lowest closer to middle and top earning worker(the huge spread isn't good).

In 1955 the min wage was $1.00 an hour and it also was about 50% of what an average worker made. In today's money it would be like $8.50 vs. the 7.25 it is today it and about 31% of what an average work makes today. I should add that the min. wage was at it's highest vs. average wage in the 1970ies at around 60%.

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Old 01-27-2013, 03:07 AM
 
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so what's the income level , for a single person, needed to be under in order to qualify?
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:10 AM
 
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The problem is that some people who work at Mc. D don't need the food stamps or don't get them at all. The single mother for instance needs the food stamps to feed her childred esp. if there are more than one of them. The teenager working a summer job on the other hand does qualify for food stamps and could easily do with less money(i.e. it is just spending money for him as he likely still lives at home or maybe goes to college).
so why not just abolish the food stamps for those who don't need them?

What is the point of it all ?
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:20 AM
 
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so why not just abolish the food stamps for those who don't need them?

What is the point of it all ?
Thoose who don't qualify for food stamps, don't get them. Mc d's pays a low wage and any low wage job combined with need(i.e. single parent) can get them. Here is the food stamp calculator for my state.

Illinois DHS SNAP Eligibility Calculator

You can plug in information and see how much if any assitance a particular wage might qualify for. It varies a bit from state to state as cost of living in each state is not the same(i.e. Rent in Chicago is cheaper than Rent in New York) and min. wage in each state is not the same.

In my state min wage is currently $8.25. At 40 hours a week(full time) and 4 weeks a month that comes to about:$1320 a month. Rent can vary a lot(roomates for instance might share rent and that could just be $300-$500 a month), while a cheap place on your own could cost upwards of $600 a month and more like $1,000 a month if you wish to rent a house. An single mother is likely to rent a place on her own rather than be roomates.

Home ownership would depend on how much downpayment, how much the house is worth and the terms of the loan and thus is even harder to peg(i.e. There could be elderly people paying off the last year of a 30 year loan with an amount as low as $300 and there can be young folks that are paying out $1000 buck for a similar house!).

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