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Old 01-24-2013, 11:44 AM
 
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How many men not worth a shht that doen't belong in the military? Probably more hands than you've got.
Thousands, and I would not want idiots on the front lines either....
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Old 01-24-2013, 11:46 AM
 
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I would like every poster to let us know how long you served and what branch.

1988 - 2009....Army...


Next....

The reason I ask, if you have never been there, your opinion does/should not matter....
Yep, and neither should yours, because you haven't experienced women in combat either.

I work in an industry made up of 99% men. I have heard all of these excuses ad infinitum for over 30 years. A lot of the men I've worked with have said the exact same thing.... until they worked with me.

Then - lo and behold - it wasn't like they imagined at all. In fact, they all rather enjoyed having me around.

So until YOU actually experience it, perhaps you shouldn't comment.

Next......
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Old 01-24-2013, 11:51 AM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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Low hanging fruit? FFS.

Yes you are correct that rapes in the military go appallingly under prosecuted.

In that case, how about you advocate for THAT to be fixed, rather than likening women to bait for men who have no morals.

And the fact that you "don't blame them for committing rape" speaks volumes about where your head is at. Seriously.
If I put my apple in front of a starving man, I can expect him to steal it, maybe even kill me for it. I don't find this morally wrong. Don't tempt desperate men. The military, especially the combat zone, is full of desperate men.
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Old 01-24-2013, 11:52 AM
 
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Yep, and neither should yours, because you haven't experienced women in combat either.

I work in an industry made up of 99% men. I have heard all of these excuses ad infinitum for over 30 years. A lot of the men I've worked with have said the exact same thing.... until they worked with me.

Then - lo and behold - it wasn't like they imagined at all. In fact, they all rather enjoyed having me around.

So until YOU actually experience it, perhaps you shouldn't comment.

Next......
Technically nobody has, there may have been a few woman who have been hurt, captured....but not fully on the front line....so your point is moot....

However, what I have done, is trained women, and 95% of those women I trained had a hard time lifitnig the 50 tool box, much less the 114lbs 25k slings.....

So maybe YOU should re-think your comments...
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Old 01-24-2013, 11:53 AM
 
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Sucks to be a lot of those women as well because many will be raped. There is no ifs and buts about it. If you dangle low hanging fruit in front of a starving man, expect him to snatch it and take one big bite out of it.
Sounds like you equate male soldiers with male dogs. No self control, just hump 'em as you see 'em.
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Old 01-24-2013, 11:53 AM
 
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IT seems to me most some opinions here are based more on political BELIEF and less on realism and what's practical
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Old 01-24-2013, 11:53 AM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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I would like every poster to let us know how long you served and what branch.
I was in Chechnya from 1999 to 2002 and was part of a Jigit which could be translated to light infantry/mountain division in US parlance. I however was wounded in shortly after February 2000 and did not see action or live fire after that.
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Old 01-24-2013, 11:56 AM
 
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Technically nobody has, there may have been a few woman who have been hurt, captured....but not fully on the front line....so your point is moot....

However, what I have done, is trained women, and 95% of those women I trained had a hard time lifitnig the 50 tool box, much less the 114lbs 25k slings.....

So maybe YOU should re-think your comments...
Right, technically nobody has. That actually WAS my point.

Again, have heard all the excuses as to why a woman is not suitable for this or that, usually made by people who have never actually experienced actual women in the actual role.

Kinda like you.
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Old 01-24-2013, 12:08 PM
 
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So zombie, what you're saying is our military men have no sense of decency or control, is that it? So the women should just be expected to be raped? How about the men grow up, get some brains & some morality or they can find their butts not only kicked out of the military but also kicked right into prison?
^^^
This.
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Old 01-24-2013, 12:08 PM
 
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There's no place for sexual tension in a fighting unit. Being sexually attracted(and emotionally) to the people your fighting with is a terrible idea. And yes we are incapable of that restraint. I don't think saying id get horny in a shower full of naked woman is that outrageous of a statement. Not to mention i don't think many woman would be comftorable showering with a bunch of boner having men.
Ah... adolescent fantasies....

Are you trying to say that soldiers in combat units don't become emotionally attached to members of their same unit?

Anyway.

Anyone who have doubts about how women operate alongside men, even Special Forces and Rangers needs to watch the documentary Lioness. It is a movie about a team of women originally assigned as truck mechanics who were reassigned to combat patrols inorder to help interrogate and search women in Iraq.

I can't find the clip where one of the women talks about being separated from the rest of the unit, ambushed and surround and how she had to fighter her way out covering both men and other women with her M249 light machine gun.

But watch the first clip all the way to the end for a little shock and awe.


INDEPENDENT LENS | Lioness | Film Clip 2 | PBS - YouTube

Lioness :: A Room 11 Productions Film Directed by Meg McLagan and Daria Sommers
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