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Old 01-25-2013, 08:20 AM
 
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I'm not arguing for more gun control, I'm arguing that there are limits on everything, including free speech.
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:23 AM
 
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Because my rights end where they infringe upon the rights of someone else.
My legally acquired possessions to not infringe upon your rights.
But you agree that there are LIMITS on "freedom of speech" right? I mean, it's pretty obvious...
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Well yeah, the state is in charge of the prosecution (of any crime basically), but it's still mandated by the feds that state's enforce these laws.
You're wrong.

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There have been cases of criminal defamation. I can provide some if you like.
Oh, please do. I won't hold my breath, but since you're so sure of yourself, I *will* ensure that you either cite those cases or admit you were wrong. I'm kind of relentless that way when someone's being an arrogant arse.

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The 1st Amendment never mentions any of that though.
Look up "reasonable restrictions" as it pertains to Constitutional rights and the Supreme Court.

Not many will argue that there shouldn't be "reasonable restrictions" on the Second Amendment. The debate is about what's considered "reasonable." But you already knew that, right? I mean, you're so smart and all...

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The FCC has fined radio stations/tv channels and threatened them with legal action for "obscenity".
Are you having reading problems today or something? I explained that.
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:34 AM
 
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There are no absolute rights. There is one "absolute privilege" by law, but no absolute rights.
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:41 AM
 
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But you agree that there are LIMITS on "freedom of speech" right? I mean, it's pretty obvious...
The only limit to our freedom of speech comes into play when you infringe on the rights of another person.

Now please explain how this correlates to the 2nd amendment?

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Why aren't the gun folks so upset over this?
The fact of the matter is if/when our freedom of speech is limited in a case where the speech isn't harming or infringing on another person's rights "gun folks" like myself do get really upset.
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:43 AM
 
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You're wrong.



Not many will argue that there shouldn't be "reasonable restrictions" on the Second Amendment. The debate is about what's considered "reasonable." But you already knew that, right? I mean, you're so smart and all...


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A restriction meets the definition of an infringement, and is therefore in violation of the 2nd Amendment.
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:44 AM
 
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I'm kind of relentless that way when someone's being an arrogant arse.
Why are you so angry? I didn't recall attacking you personally. Calm down, this is an message board, I don't want to ruin your whole day.

As for "criminal defamation", I can think of a case off the top of my head; Tyler Clementi Death: Dharun Ravi Guilty on 24 Counts - TIME. 19 states have "criminal defamation" laws.

Federal law supersedes all state law by the way, and state laws are required to adhere to The Constitution. Now, the feds can choose not to force states to adhere to federal law, as in these recent marijuana legalization stuff, but they have the right to.
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:49 AM
 
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The prohibition of "infringement" of the Second Amendment does not preclude "regulation"; witness all the federal and state laws regulating firearms. The Second Amendment does not grant any rights. Whatever rights, either individual or collective, are nevertheless subject to law.
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:49 AM
 
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I'm not arguing for more gun control, I'm arguing that there are limits on everything, including free speech.
We are all aware of that, we are also aware that there are already limits on the 2nd amendment and there are even laws against killing people with guns unless it's justified.

What's the point of this thread?
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:50 AM
 
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Not many will argue that there shouldn't be "reasonable restrictions" on the Second Amendment.
What about the whole no infringement thing?
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