Obamacare Allows Steep Surcharge for Smokers

[HappyTexan]

Originally Posted by Saritaschihuahua

Give me an example of what you mean. Are you referring specifically to someone that has never, ever worked (and therefore not contributed)? Or to someone who has worked part-time (and contributed part-time)? Or to someone that lost his/her job (and couldn't contribute while he/she was out of work)? What exactly?

You don't know "free" from "having contributed" ?

Alright, here's some obvious examples:

Worked for 30 years and paid into FICA. Now gets SS. Did they contribute ? Is that "free money" to them ? I would say No. They paid into the system all those years.

Worked a number of years and gets layed off. Goes on UE for several months before finding a new job.
Did they contribute ? Is that "free money" to them ? I would say No. They paid into the system and are making use of the safety net provided by the system until they can get back on their own two feet.

HS senior gets pregnant. Has kid. Goes on medicaid, TANF and gets HUD housing. Is that "free money" to them ? I would say Yes. They contributed nothing to the system yet make full use of programs offered by the system.

[chad3]

Originally Posted by HappyTexan

I'm not spouting any Fox or Rush propaganda. The states are reporting this.
You refuse to even consider that the CBO and Dems were off on their estimates for the cost of "Utopia" where everyone has an insurance card.

Here's 2 examples:
Colorado high-risk health insurance pool runs up claims twice the U.S. average - The Denver Post
High-Risk Insurance Pool Running Out Of Funds | NBC 4i

Obamacare saves America huge amounts of money in the long run.
And Americas best doctors want a health care system like Obamacare, and Obamacare saves 45,000 Americans from dying each year.

What is there to complain about ?



Your source says Obamacare costs (one) state an extra $15 million dollars.
But the following source shows that Obamacare saves many/most states billions of dollars.

STUDY: Medicaid Expansion Saves States Billions | ThinkProgress

Why bring out a single state (million) dollar argument, in a nationwide (billion) dollar conversation?



Conservatives and liberals each have their own special talents.

And Obamacare saves huge amounts of money in the long run.
And Obamacare saves 100,000's of Americans from dying in the long run.

Just imagine if America's conservatives would fine tune Obamacare, to make Obamacare work as well as it can.
How much money could it save ?
How many Americans lives could it save?



Scientists call Fox news and Rush radio "corporate propaganda." And Fox news and Rush radio tell America's conservatives 100's of lies.
How can American conservatives allow corporate propaganda groups that tell them 100's of lies, to be their sole trusted sources of information ??

A conservative does (not) have to fear loosing their conservative values, if they sometimes look beyond Fox news and Rush radio.

You will always hate people not working and living off the government.
You will never want to be pushed around by other countries.
You will always want values, hard work, and tradition.
ex.ex.

Conservatives don't need Fox news and Rush radio to make them conservatives.
A conservative only needs one thing to be a conservative, and that's a heart beat.

[Jean71]

Time for a cigarette.