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Old 01-28-2013, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Ontario
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Becuase most people know BC DOES NOT WORK 100% and when it fails it leads to abortion. BC use lulling people into thinking it is the answer is all backward. The answer is not that simple.
You are right it doesn't work 100% but if it prevents at least one abortion then isn't it worth it?
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:38 PM
 
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And expecting people to abstain from sex, or use NFP is not the answer.

1. People are not going to abstain from sex.

2. NFP has the highest failure rate of all birth control methods.

Religion is not the answer either. Religious people screw around just as much as the non religious.
Have sex all you want, screw around all you want but don't use abortion as the cheap cop out. Know what you are doing and take responsibility for it. I don't call sucking the baby into the sink the answer. It may be the easy way out when it is done but many women know they will live with that decision for the rest of their lives. Only the truly heartless ones never think of it again. Sad is they go out and do it over and over again. At that point they don't have much self-esteem for themselves or care any more for the babies so what difference do the abortions make.

Hardening of society.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:39 PM
 
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You are right it doesn't work 100% but if it prevents at least one abortion then isn't it worth it?
NO. it causes more deaths than that one it saves.
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Old 01-29-2013, 07:46 AM
 
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Have sex all you want, screw around all you want but don't use abortion as the cheap cop out. Know what you are doing and take responsibility for it. I don't call sucking the baby into the sink the answer. It may be the easy way out when it is done but many women know they will live with that decision for the rest of their lives. Only the truly heartless ones never think of it again. Sad is they go out and do it over and over again. At that point they don't have much self-esteem for themselves or care any more for the babies so what difference do the abortions make.

Hardening of society.
abortion is taking responsibility. it is never easy, and for the low percentage of women who may think it is, what business of yours is it?

a great deal of society is hard. murder, rape,violent crime of all sorts, cheats and liars. abortion is about the right to privacy. it is not your business what other women do with their own bodies. like it or not, that is a fact
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:44 AM
 
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Pro-life is someone who is anti-war, anti-death penalty, and anti-drone attacks. Most people in the pro-life movement don't fit that bill.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Earth
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Have sex all you want, screw around all you want but don't use abortion as the cheap cop out. Know what you are doing and take responsibility for it. I don't call sucking the baby into the sink the answer. It may be the easy way out when it is done but many women know they will live with that decision for the rest of their lives. Only the truly heartless ones never think of it again. Sad is they go out and do it over and over again. At that point they don't have much self-esteem for themselves or care any more for the babies so what difference do the abortions make.

Hardening of society.
It's none of your business what I use abortion for.
It's for ending a pregnancy.

It's also not your call what I choose to do with my body, ever.

Sucking a baby into a sink. Do tell me how that works. What size is that baby...
Hyperbole and lies, I expect nothing less.
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:17 PM
 
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Pro-life is someone who is anti-war, anti-death penalty, and anti-drone attacks. Most people in the pro-life movement don't fit that bill.
This.

Most anti-abortion people rush to condemn the truly pro-life. Probably because those people are usually **horrors** liberals. And huge numbers of the anti-abortion crowd spend as much time condemning liberals as they do condemning abortion. It's a constant in these threads. They don't want a woman to have an abortion but they want to have a gun to shoot anyone trying to steal their stuff.
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Old 01-29-2013, 02:36 PM
 
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So for those who are pro-choice / pro-abortion: IF the pro-lifers approached the abortion issue from a 'causation' angle, could you cooperate with them? If they turned their focus more toward creating an environment in which abortions would be rare, could you support that? Are there movements we can all get behind that if successful would actually lead to fewer abortions? Or is there nothing we can all agree on?

Also, I personally don't see the hypocrisy in being anti-abortion but pro-war and pro-death penalty. It all seems *theoretically* consistent with protecting the "innocent". BUT it does go to show that we view the life of a fetus differently than we view the life of a person outside the womb! Which does pose a problem for the pro-life side...
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Old 01-29-2013, 03:14 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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BUT it does go to show that we view the life of a fetus differently than we view the life of a person outside the womb! Which does pose a problem for the pro-life side...
Why is that a problem? It's a question of justice. Killing is not intrinsically wrong. No sane person believes that. We all accept that killing in self defense is permissible, and sometimes in defense of others (e.g., national defense, law enforcement). And most Americans believe that capital punishment is a just punishment for certain crimes.

But a baby is innocent, has committed no crimes, and threatens no one. Not even the pro-aborts claim that abortion is a punishment for the baby. The baby therefore deserves the protection of law.
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Old 01-29-2013, 03:53 PM
 
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The pro-life movement can't solve the failure of the family in America. The left has worked very hard to destroy the family and try and remake it the way "they like it". Going forward I think more people will become pro-life as times become more difficult.
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