Republicans for a single-payers healthcare system (Pelosi, Denver, leader, financial crisis)
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Primitive tribal society, heavily armed, drive around in trucks.
All it needs is some beachfront and you're there.
Have you ever been there? I mean there, not flying over it?
Seriously, I hate these type of posts. Why put down an area of the country that is different from yours? (Though by your description, not that much different from Pittsburgh, which is where you live, no?)
Were there interstates that made cross country travel accessible? No. Were there dirt/grave/poorly maintained roads and inaccessible terrain all over the country? Yep.
Were there schools? Yes...one bedroom schoolhouses with uneducated hillbillies teaching.
Were there mortgages? Yes...if you had between 50-80% down. Federal backing to private mortgages allows banks to free up liquidity and loan more...before federal involvement the idea of a 30 year mortgage with 20% down was non-existent. See below...
"It wasn't until 1934 that modern mortgages came into being. The Federal Housing Administration (FHA) played a critical role. In order to help pull the country out of the Great Depression, the FHA initiated a new type of mortgage aimed at the folks who couldn't get mortgages under the existing programs. At that time, only two in 10 households owned homes. Mortgage loan terms were limited to 50 percent of the property's market value, and the repayment schedule was spread over three to five years and ended with a balloon payment. An 80 percent loan at that time meant your down payment was 80 percent -- not the amount you financed! With loan terms like that, it's no wonder that most Americans were renters."
And I personally don't require a lot of government assistance and I'm not looking for it. I am fortunate enough to be in a very good job with a six figure income, and I purchased my own home with cash. However I, unlike you, realize that my situation isn't the norm and there are people out there that need assistance and the funding for this assistance comes in the form of federal taxes. Income redistribution has been an integral part to US history for the last 100 years.
Civilzed western society doesn't function the way you Ron Paul sycophants want. Below is a small list of countries with a very limited federal government, high income inequality, and no taxes that maybe you would be more comfortable in...
-Mexico
-Colombia
-Somalia
-Afghanistan
-Iran
-Peru
-Yemen
-Tajikstan
If you don't like our civilzied society I suggest you pack your sh*t and get your rear end to one of these hell holes.
And what was the cost of those homes PRE government intervention into the mortgage market? Did government intervention cause the cost of homes to SKYROCKET because it artificially increased demand? You can look at things from your simple minded perspective all you want.
According to your logic government makes everything better. Heck let's just be all government run all the time! That is what you are promoting, isn't it? If not, be assured that is what you will receive by the time everyone gets their particular special interest rent-seeking covered by legislation... even IF it isn't intentional.
Free to you because you don't want to have to pay the cost even though someone will still have to pay for it:
Today you demand a right to free healthcare.
Tomorrow you demand a right to free food.
The next day you demand a right to free housing.
A day later you demand a right to free transportation.
The next week you demand a right to free (insert entitlement here).
Who is going to pay for all this free stuff?
Does healthcare grow for free on a healthcare tree? A healthcare tree that we all have access to & can pick healthcare fruit off any time we want?
Does food grow for free on a food tree? A food tree that we all have access to & can pick food fruit off any time we want?
Does housing grow for free on a housing tree? A housing tree that we all have access to & can pick housing fruit off any time we want?
Does transportation grow for free on a transportation tree? A transportation tree that we all have access to & can pick transportation fruit off any time we want?
Does (insert entitlement here) grow for free on a (insert entitlement here) tree? A (insert entitlement here) tree that we all have access to & can pick (insert entitlement here) fruit off any time we want?
Again... Who is going to pay for all this free stuff?
1. And what was the cost of those homes PRE government intervention into the mortgage market? 2. Did government intervention cause the cost of homes to SKYROCKET because it artificially increased demand? You can look at things from your simple minded perspective all you want.
According to your logic government makes everything better. Heck let's just be all government run all the time! 3. That is what you are promoting, isn't it? If not, be assured that is what you will receive by the time everyone gets their particular special interest rent-seeking covered by legislation... even IF it isn't intentional.
4. Free to you because you don't want to have to pay the cost even though someone will still have to pay for it:
5. Today you demand a right to free healthcare.
Tomorrow you demand a right to free food.
The next day you demand a right to free housing.
A day later you demand a right to free transportation.
The next week you demand a right to free (insert entitlement here).
6. Who is going to pay for all this free stuff?
Does healthcare grow for free on a healthcare tree? A healthcare tree that we all have access to & can pick healthcare fruit off any time we want?
7. Does food grow for free on a food tree? A food tree that we all have access to & can pick food fruit off any time we want?
Does housing grow for free on a housing tree? A housing tree that we all have access to & can pick housing fruit off any time we want?
Does transportation grow for free on a transportation tree? A transportation tree that we all have access to & can pick transportation fruit off any time we want?
Does (insert entitlement here) grow for free on a (insert entitlement here) tree? A (insert entitlement here) tree that we all have access to & can pick (insert entitlement here) fruit off any time we want?
Again... Who is going to pay for all this free stuff?
1. Homes prices haven't exorbitantly increased compared to salaries...they've increased at a fairly comparable rate. Obviously there are a few areas in the country (Boston, NY, LA) that are pricy but the norm they are not. Homes where I live are around 150k...not too bad.
2. I don't think you understand what an "artificial increase" in demand is...especially if your applying it to this.
3. I'm promoting the federal government assisting in areas that assistance is needed.
4. Not free to me. My taxes and yours pay for the services that make our civilized society one of the envys of the modern world.
5. You realize we technically already have all of the things listed. And they certainly aren't free...unless you evade taxes of course which wouldn't be out of step with you Ron Paul kneeslappers.
6. Taxpayers....Taxpayers that enjoy living in the greatest country in the world.
7. Food does technically grow on trees, but thats beside the point. Thanks to Farm Subsidies we the most substantial food stock in the world.
Do you expect to get paid to do a job? Well if everything is free, you certainly won't have a right to be paid.
There is no doubt that you will undoubtedly say this is over simplistic, which I would agree with. But let's take healthcare and pretend (for the sake of argument) that you work as a doctor, nurse or some other person in the healthcare field. If we all get free healthcare (socialized where everyone is taxed, that tax is collected in a centralized pool then distributed) wouldn't it make sense that government should determine that, due to the extraordinary costs involved in healthcare, too much money is being paid to the professionals in healthcare? Shouldn't the government decide that for the betterment of society, the wages of people in healthcare should be reduced? I mean wouldn't we really want to figure out any and all ways to cut unneeded costs?
Would the above scenario, one where YOU lose earnings because we need to cut costs be of interest to you? Exchange the word healthcare with food, housing, transportation, (insert entitlement here), etc. What if you worked in one of those industries? Would it matter to you then? Because as things can no longer be paid for due to excessive and uncontrolled demand, society WILL figure out a way to cut costs.
Think long and hard before you demand something, a product or service for free.
I just don't get it. I do not understand anyone putting down a part of the country like that. Kansas is a part of the US. It has its two senators and I don't know how many reps, all elected democratically.
I must have had you confused with someone else, of the same name, who posts on the Pittsburgh forum.
1. Homes prices haven't exorbitantly increased compared to salaries...they've increased at a fairly comparable rate. Obviously there are a few areas in the country (Boston, NY, LA) that are pricy but the norm they are not. Homes where I live are around 150k...not too bad.
2. I don't think you understand what an "artificial increase" in demand is...especially if your applying it to this.
3. I'm promoting the federal government assisting in areas that assistance is needed.
4. Not free to me. My taxes and yours pay for the services that make our civilized society one of the envys of the modern world.
5. You realize we technically already have all of the things listed. And they certainly aren't free...unless you evade taxes of course which wouldn't be out of step with you Ron Paul kneeslappers.
6. Taxpayers....Taxpayers that enjoy living in the greatest country in the world.
7. Food does technically grow on trees, but thats beside the point. Thanks to Farm Subsidies we the most substantial food stock in the world.
How much did the average home cost in 1890, 1920, 1940 and 1950? How much did they jump (due to the housing bubble created by government interference in the mortgage market) in 1980-2008?
Government interference in the market artificially distorts value. Injecting money into a system by making it more readily available artificially distorts value. There is NO example, NONE EVER, where government interference in the free market did not harm the very people it claims to try to protect. NEVER EVER EVER.
No amount of fantasy will make your healthcare cheaper under government intervention. This concept is delusional. The thing that is really sad is the people that socialist programs claim to benefit are the very ones who are harmed most.
Anyway, maybe I've been too harsh to a few on here, so here is a rare "My apologies." Now with that over, quit STEALING from me.
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