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Yes, Human Trafficking as YOU know it was completely legal many years ago. There was NO specific laws, in California, and possibly the country, which forbade it. You relied on regular prostitution laws, pimping, pandering, etc.
If you have read through this thread, you can even see today, MANY people do not find it illegal or a crime. In fact, many find nothing wrong with it.
Until the implementation of said laws, it was very difficult to prove a female was being forced into prostitution. For the lay person, that is you, MOST persons you arrested for prostitution denied they were even prostituting. Now, you have a 16 yr old female, in front of a jury, saying she did what she did, because she wanted too. No force, no coercion, NOTHING. Guess what? Pimp walked.
With the implementation of Human Trafficking laws, in California, I no longer have to prove a minor was forced. Just the mere fact someone brought her into prostitution sufficed. That is all I need now. A MUCH lower burden of proof. Someone brings a 16 yr old out to prostitute, against her will OR NOT, and bam, he/she is guilty. I've locked up many persons under the new laws.
Look through this website. If you see the penalities for them, they are dated 2009, 2010, 2011. That is how NEW these laws are. Were not talking about prostitution. That is a misdemeanor and means nothing. Were talking about hardcore felonies, where persons, usually men, are locked up for 15, 20, 25, 30 years for HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
Yes, it WAS technically legal, only a few years ago. And not just in the state of California, but in other states too. In fact, I bet there are many states, right now, where it is still legal.
One more thing for ignorant and uniformed: Human Trafficking Laws DO NOT just surround sex crimes. It can me other crimes as well. Such as: I own a business. Hey Chinese girl, come work for me for 1 year, I'll get you a work Visa, then you work it off for the year. After which, you can go and live your life. Yet, I keep your long beyond that 1 yr mark. That is Human Trafficking too. Its NOT just sex crimes.
I haven't seen any posts that say forcing people to do something should (human trafficking) be legal.
In most cases yes...... most girls have a pimp and drugs are used as a form of coercion. Many of the "massage" parlors in big and small cities consist of underage girls from abroad who are forced into that lifestyle to service degenerate loser men who lack self control. Very few girls choose the lifestyle of prostitution. It is often, at best, the last resort for someone to sell themselves to someone
There are many logical reasons why it should never be legalized and never will be here
just look at the ridiculous stats they use. 100,000 sex slaves in the US according to this article. up to 300,000 according to some like those scumbags...
The numbers do seem high. There really no way to get hard data, so I do think they project figures that are far higher then they really are. I don't deny it exists, but I don't think it's quite as common as they would lead you to believe.
The same thing could be said of companies claims of pirating losses. Lets look at just the pirating of movies. The Motion Picture Association (MPA) claims they lost 6.1 billion dollars to movie piracy in 2005. The problem I see here is lets say a typical teenager goes to the movies 12 times a year. If they are downloading 100 movies a year, how can you claim losses on the other 88 movies? There's no way he could afford to go to the movies 88 more times a year, so in reality they are not really losses, since you would never would have had that many sales in the first place. The same thing could be applied to people who sell boot legged DVD's. People who buy boot legged DVD's can afford to buy 5 or 6 DVD's because they are far cheaper in the store. So the store really only lost 1 sale, not 5 or 6, since the typical buyer wouldn't have purchased that many. Does piracy hurt the MPA profits? Absolutely, but I think they are exaggerating there losses by a factor of 10 or more.
The numbers do seem high. There really no way to get hard data, so I do think they project figures that are far higher then they really are. I don't deny it exists, but I don't think it's quite as common as they would lead you to believe.
i find it extremely annoying that this number continues to circulate in the media. it was a lie given by ashton kutcher a few years back when he was doing his "real men dont buy girls" campaign. and despite the fact that it's a completely made up number, media continues to use it.
Kutcher told CNN that there are “between 100,000 and 300,000 child sex slaves in the United States today," echoing a distortion that's been picked up by dozens of respectable media outlets, according to the Village Voice . That figure is tenuously based on a study conducted by University of Pennsylvania sociologists Richard Estes and Neil Weiner. Their paper, "The Commercial Sexual Exploitation of Children in the U.S., Canada and Mexico" ( PDF), doesn't in fact claim that there are hundreds of thousands of child “sex slaves†– it purports only to be an estimate of the population of youth who are “at risk†of falling into prostitution, hence the inclusion of all runaways and kids located close to a border.
Even that estimate is widely disputed among scholars. When asked to review the study by the Voice, University of Arizona schol ar Steve Doig, a specialist in empirical analysis, said that "Many of the numbers and assumptions in these charts are based on earlier, smaller-scale studies done by other researchers, studies which have their own methodological limitations.â€
I won't call it 'garbage in, garbage out.' But combining various approximations and guesstimates done under a variety of conditions doesn't magically produce a solid number. The resulting number is no better than the fuzziest part of the equation.
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The truth is that nobody knows the scope of the problem. But when pressed, even Estes, one of the study's authors, conceded tha t "We're talking about a few hundred people."
i find it extremely annoying that this number continues to circulate in the media. it was a lie given by ashton kutcher a few years back when he was doing his "real men dont buy girls" campaign. and despite the fact that it's a completely made up number, media continues to use it.
Kutcher told CNN that there are “between 100,000 and 300,000 child sex slaves in the United States today," echoing a distortion that's been picked up by dozens of respectable media outlets, according to the Village Voice . That figure is tenuously based on a study conducted by University of Pennsylvania sociologists Richard Estes and Neil Weiner. Their paper, "The Commercial Sexual Exploitation of Children in the U.S., Canada and Mexico" ( PDF), doesn't in fact claim that there are hundreds of thousands of child “sex slaves†– it purports only to be an estimate of the population of youth who are “at risk†of falling into prostitution, hence the inclusion of all runaways and kids located close to a border.
Even that estimate is widely disputed among scholars. When asked to review the study by the Voice, University of Arizona schol ar Steve Doig, a specialist in empirical analysis, said that "Many of the numbers and assumptions in these charts are based on earlier, smaller-scale studies done by other researchers, studies which have their own methodological limitations.â€
I won't call it 'garbage in, garbage out.' But combining various approximations and guesstimates done under a variety of conditions doesn't magically produce a solid number. The resulting number is no better than the fuzziest part of the equation.
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The truth is that nobody knows the scope of the problem. But when pressed, even Estes, one of the study's authors, conceded tha t "We're talking about a few hundred people."
Why is there an argument on stats? Who cares if the stats are off by a thousand or so. the fact that it goes on is sickening enough. Arguing over stats seems a desperate push to try to ignore the whole problem.
Why is there an argument on stats? Who cares if the stats are off by a thousand or so. the fact that it goes on is sickening enough. Arguing over stats seems a desperate push to try to ignore the whole problem.
off by a thousand? they're off by hundreds of thousands. they're making it out to be some big problem, when in reality it is extremely small scale. if it isn't a big deal, then stop spouting lies. if you want to tackle the problem, then you need to understand the problem first. making stuff up isn't going to help in the least. it is only going to line the pockets of NGO scum.
there is a whole lot of talk by the anti-trafficking NGO's, but their policies do NOTHING to stop trafficking. if anything, they make it worse.they are worse than useless.
off by a thousand? they're off by hundreds of thousands. they're making it out to be some big problem, when in reality it is extremely small scale. if it isn't a big deal, then stop spouting lies. if you want to tackle the problem, then you need to understand the problem first. making stuff up isn't going to help in the least. it is only going to line the pockets of NGO scum.
there is a whole lot of talk by the anti-trafficking NGO's, but their policies do NOTHING to stop trafficking. if anything, they make it worse.they are worse than useless.
So if it is not a huge number than it can be ignored? Gotcha. How does being anti-trafficking line any pockets?
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