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Because the owner of a business can set the rate anywhere he/she pleases.
Prices should be set like any other business......enough to pay overhead plus profit.
She probably pays herself??? Since you say 'probably' that means you have no idea whether she does or not.
I would say she 'probably, or if not should be, setting prices so she makes a decent return.
If not, she shouldn't be running a business
Come to think of it...if others are hired on as sub or independent contractors ,as many of the shops do, means she is also taking a cut of theirs.
I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. If you tip your stylist, it really shouldn't matter if she's the owner or not. As a stylist, she's an employee of that business just like any other stylist. Just because she's more vested in the business doesn't mean that she should be treated any differently as a stylist. There's no logic in that.
Yes, as the owner (which is a separate role), she takes a cut of the other's work. That's pretty standard in the industry as an owner.
If she had a stylist on contract and that stylist owned another unrelated business (say, avon sales business), would you stiff her on tips because of that? It makes no sense.
I don't understand this mindset. You don't have to tip the business owner for managing the business. But she probably pays herself the same or even less for the time she spends cutting hair as she pays other stylists in the salon. Why wouldn't she deserve a tip?
I don't know why she wouldn't "deserve a tip." That's why I'm asking about this. As I said, I've always read that the OWNER of the shop is not to be tipped. In the case I mentioned ALL 4 of the stylists were equal co-owners. There were not any non-owner stylists at this particular salon. I did tip whenever I had my hair done there, by any of them, but according to the "rules" the owner (in this case, all of them) is not to be tipped.
None of the "who gets tipped and who doesn't" makes any sense to me.
OK, I was googling about tipping the owner of a salon. It actually used to be considered an insult to do so! But according to the Emily Post Institute of Etiquette, the tradition of NOT tipping the owners is a tradition that is dying out. In other words....now it's acceptable (probably expected) to tip the owner.
I also read that the custom of tipping originated in 16th-century England when household servants were given a monetary token of appreciation by visiting guests. Having additional people in the house created additional work for the household servants, so the guests were basically paying the servants a little extra for their extra work. Makes sense to me.
Now, how it evolved into tipping nearly every hourly worker for doing their basic job, from the furniture delivery to auto body shop, is still baffling.
Well yes, the service is considered in my case. If we had a bad server, we wouldn't tip our usual 20-25%. But any server can be having a bad day, and knowing that the tips are generally shared with other workers at the restaurant, we still tip at least 15%.
The car service department??? Really? There's another one I didn't know. Maybe I should tip everyone I encounter all day long to make sure I'm not missing anyone! LOL!
That's one part of the restaurant and bar service I really dislike, servers SHARING what's in the tip kitty.
But, I guess it had to come to that because of the lowly wages all of the people earn, I hope it evens out in the end though.
The car service department, yes. At my local dealership, when you have a oil change or other service done, they even wash your vehicle for you, and vacuum the interior. A car porter brings your vehicle to the ready line, and we tip.
Our local car wash here is the same. It is a common tip kitty, a wooden locked box, to place your tips into for the people who clean inside and out, the hand wiping and vacuuming.
Let it be known that porters working in dealerships are probably entry level personnel, someone who might be working their way through college or trade school, and these people are normally minimum wagers. We're glad to help.
I don't mind tipping at all because first of all, customer service is one of the worst jobs on the planet & customers are generally a bunch of jerks. I've had a few crap servers where I had nothing to do w/their bad service, they're just not liking their jobs or whatever. Those people don't get tips or get very low ones from me. In fact, it just happened last summer. I was at a restaurant, our waitress was flirting w/a table of guys next to us, ignoring us or only half listening to our order. She then had shots w/those guys. I put a big fat zero on the tip line. Did I feel bad? No way, she did not deserve a tip at all. In fact, I should've talked to the manager. Anyway, the majority of the time I am a pretty generous tipper, I feel their pain.
With the recent Applebee's brouhaha (Pastor didn't want to pay waitress 18% gratuity because she pays God only 10%. Waitress ends up being fired), I am interested to know your thoughts on the whole system of tipping in the United States.
I've never eaten in a country that didn't tip (35+ countries).
The waitress got fired? I'd suspect they were looking for any excuse to fire the waitress.
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I would rather see a system where a restaurant charges the same as it does for food and places a required service charge on the bill for the service. Keep it transparent.
Then why should I dine out?
The whole point of dining out is the experience.
When the waitstaff attends to your every need without you having to say anything at all, makes the experience extremely pleasurable. Experienced waitstaff know people, know diners, and they attend to your needs without interrupting you every 2 minutes. That kind of experience commands respect and is valuable, and should be rewarded.
When the service is mediocre or less, it isn't worth tipping or it's worth tipping appropriately, like 5%.
To me it's the food. I honestly couldn't care less if I had to get up and grab it. The service matters very little to me. I like to eat, I don't care to own a servant. I guess everyone is different but more expensive restaurants will obviously pay their waitstaff a little bit more to ensure better service. That's how it works in 90% of the world except the USA. The only difference is that the prices will be truly reflected in the food instead of this hidden tax on the customer.
I've never eaten in a country that didn't tip (35+ countries).
The waitress got fired? I'd suspect they were looking for any excuse to fire the waitress.
Then why should I dine out?
The whole point of dining out is the experience.
When the waitstaff attends to your every need without you having to say anything at all, makes the experience extremely pleasurable. Experienced waitstaff know people, know diners, and they attend to your needs without interrupting you every 2 minutes. That kind of experience commands respect and is valuable, and should be rewarded.
When the service is mediocre or less, it isn't worth tipping or it's worth tipping appropriately, like 5%.
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Mircea
Good help is so hard fo find nowadays, took me weeks to replace my butler.
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