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Old 02-02-2013, 10:28 PM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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ok one more time for those who have reading comprehension issues;

I DO NOT ADVOCATE ELIMINATING THE EPA!!!!!!!!!. i do however advocate reigning in their power, and having them enforce regulations already on the books before they institute more regulations.
With over 1,600 Superfund sites across the country, and most of those responsible spending over $1 billion lobbying the federal government, somehow I don't think improving the EPA involves "reigning in their power"...


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Old 02-02-2013, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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The biggest polluters in the State of Alaska are not the oil companies, as the anti-business types would like to think. It is the federal government, particularly the Department of Defense. So the next time you think Alaska gets a disproportional amount of federal funds compared to other States, just remember that the taxpayer money is being spent cleaning up the mess left by the feds.
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:23 AM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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ok one more time for those who have reading comprehension issues;

I DO NOT ADVOCATE ELIMINATING THE EPA!!!!!!!!!. i do however advocate reigning in their power, and having them enforce regulations already on the books before they institute more regulations.
Did it ever occur to some people that some EPA regulations are out of date? hence, NEW REGULATIONS!
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:26 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Did it ever occur to some people that some EPA regulations are out of date? hence, NEW REGULATIONS!
That is not how it works. Regulations are based upon statutory law. If the law does not change, then neither should the regulation. The EPA, or any other regulatory agency, cannot simply manufacture regulations as they see fit. Every regulation must be based upon laws enacted by Congress, or it is not enforceable.
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:34 AM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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That is not how it works. Regulations are based upon statutory law. If the law does not change, then neither should the regulation. The EPA, or any other regulatory agency, cannot simply manufacture regulations as they see fit. Every regulation must be based upon laws enacted by Congress, or it is not enforceable.
I disagree. With new science findings and technology, some regulations either need updating or new regulations should come about.

Let's take factory emissions, like a steel plant for instance. The regulations written in the early days of steel plant emissions are probably obsolete to today's standards of how much junk can be allowed into the atmosphere. Same with coal or automotive emissions, new technology, new standards, new laws, updated laws.

Did I allude that the EPA makes their own rules? if I did, I apologize, the EPA is a enforcement agency.
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Old 02-03-2013, 01:58 AM
 
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You know of course the EPA is driving up the price of corn here and around the world. The American farmers used to feed the world but now they are dumping more corn ethanol.
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Old 02-03-2013, 03:32 AM
 
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So when a corporation's actions maim and kill, you are satisfied when the guilty are fired, and the corporation is fined.
Perhaps we should offer the same deal to felons who maim and kill.
Hit them with a fine and job loss...
Maim and kill. If the actions were intentional, no BUT that would not be the job of the EPA to handle in the first place. It's also hyperbole on your part.
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Old 02-03-2013, 06:14 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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You know of course the EPA is driving up the price of corn here and around the world. The American farmers used to feed the world but now they are dumping more corn ethanol.
You got that right. I was at Costco on Friday and a pair of ribeyes were going for $47.69.
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Old 02-03-2013, 06:29 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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You got that right. I was at Costco on Friday and a pair of ribeyes were going for $47.69.
It's important to assign the right cause to the right effect. Beef prices are rising for a variety of reasons. One is demand from the third world, another is rising corn prices and the third is the drought. This is from last July: Food prices: Get ready to pay more for your steak - Jul. 30, 2012

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You know of course the EPA is driving up the price of corn here and around the world.
" is just bogus. The EPA has been consistently trying to raise MPG standards, and faces industry resistance. Those standards would reduce consumption of gasoline and ethanol.

Moreover, it's the corn lobby that pushed for ethanol to be added to gasoline, not the EPA.
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Old 02-03-2013, 06:47 AM
 
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With over 1,600 Superfund sites across the country, and most of those responsible spending over $1 billion lobbying the federal government, somehow I don't think improving the EPA involves "reigning in their power"...
You might want to take a look at who owns a lot of those sites, here's a hint. It's not a private company.
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