Chris Kyle one of two killed in Texas (Limbaugh, carry, firearm)
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It is a tragedy when anyone gets murdered, but the NRA talking points are destroyed by this tragedy. Here was a highly trained military soldier who was probably armed or very close to a gun and he couldn't save himself.
All of those good guys at a shooting range with guns didn't stop this tragedy. conservatives and gun nuts are liars. All of those guns and all of those good guys with guns didn't prevent nor protect those men from one man with a gun. This is objective reality, but gun nuts and conservatives don't and wont learn.
Do you know if others were there? You do know both men were shot while not looking at their killer. Kyle was shot in the back......
How do we know this didn't happen away from others, you are assuming much.
Not sure why people would bring a controversy been two men into the thread.....don't even think Ventura would want that attchment.
I will note (or it has been reported today) that there were only three people (Chris, the other victim, and the shooter) at this private shooting range (located on the property of a high-end resort). Apparently the shooter shot them in the back. The bodies were not found for two hours.
Ok Ill change my post to reflect that it might have been a private gun range.
This situation is the perfect refutation of gun nut and conservative fantasy. A man couldn't be more trained on how to use a gun than Mr. Kyle. He was at a gun range either armed or very close to a gun and he was surrounded by so called good guys with guns and yet he and another man were still murdered.
The whole NRA/gun nut/conservative lie is laid to waste based on reality. They won't and don't learn. Because gun nuts are well nuts. The NRA is just a lobbying group to get more gun nuts in constant fear to buy more guns, and most conservatives are liars who view everything through a political angle of not letting the liberals win.
Kyle said in his book that Iraqi insurgents had put a bounty on his head. According to promotional information from book publisher William Morrow, Kyle deployed to Iraq four times.
Bryant said Kyle, Littlefield and Routh went to the shooting range around 3:15 p.m. Saturday. A hunting guide at Rough Creek Lodge came across the bodies of Kyle and Littlefield around 5 p.m. and called 911.
Obviously, you cannot stop someone from killing you with a gun even if you and/or others are armed when taken by surprise. Certainly there are circumstances where armed individuals have been able to protect themselves and others. I do not believe anyone has ever stated being armed reduces your odds of being a homicide victim to zero.
Blah, blah, blah. if you believe the lie that only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun after this tragedy, you are hopeless.
I guess the only real way to protect oneself with a gun when surrounded by other men with guns is that all the good guys with guns need to be pointing those guns at each other at all times, because you never know when the good guy with a gun standing next to you will turn out to be a bad guy with a gun and get the drop on you.
Kyle said in his book that Iraqi insurgents had put a bounty on his head. According to promotional information from book publisher William Morrow, Kyle deployed to Iraq four times.
Bryant said Kyle, Littlefield and Routh went to the shooting range around 3:15 p.m. Saturday. A hunting guide at Rough Creek Lodge came across the bodies of Kyle and Littlefield around 5 p.m. and called 911.
"He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints." (Rev.13:10 KJV)
Your father was the Greatest Generation, but prior to WWII, America was still a great nation. It all changed in the 25 years following WWII, when the military industrial complex started running the show, and changing how people think.
Your father thought like a rational, peace loving man who stepped up and served his country for all the right reasons. Now we have someone who killed 160 people in Iraq/Afghanistan who justified it in his own mind by saying he was "saving" people (see story). And the man who killed him could not justify the horror of war, either by playing a mind game on his thinking like Chris Kyle did, or by believing the propaganda, or just being soulless. And he snapped.
The difference is the legitimacy of doing their jobs, and the effect it has on being able to compartmentalize the horror one is exposed to, and part of. At least the Greatest Generation knew the legitimacy of WHY they were at war.
You're confusing someone who was drafted against their will most likely and shouldn't have been there in the first place. Don't ever confuse him with a Navy SEAL who WANTS to be there again please. You can quit at anytime. The bell is always there for you to ring.
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He would never volunteer that he was in the military ever. And if someone asked him about it he would just change the subject.
See also the above^.
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Blah, blah, blah. if you believe the lie that only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun after this tragedy, you are hopeless.
I guess the only real way to protect oneself with a gun when surrounded by other men with guns is that all the good guys with guns need to be pointing those guns at each other at all times, because you never know when the good guy with a gun standing next to you will turn out to be a bad guy with a gun and get the drop on you.
I don't count that as the same as someone who befriends you, only to take you out later. Sounds like someone put him up to it myself. Take it as you wish though. You're all very easy to fool.
Obviously, you cannot stop someone from killing you with a gun even if you and/or others are armed when taken by surprise. Certainly there are circumstances where armed individuals have been able to protect themselves and others. I do not believe anyone has ever stated being armed reduces your odds of being a homicide victim to zero.
Kind of like your best friend shooting you while you are on the toilet. How is there any valor in that? Come at the same guy as an enemy and see what happens to you.
You're confusing someone who was drafted against their will most likely and shouldn't have been there in the first place. Don't ever confuse him with a Navy SEAL who WANTS to be there again please. You can quit at anytime. The bell is always there for you to ring.
Se also the above^.
I don't count that as the same as someone who befriends you, only to take you out later. Sounds like someone put him up to it myself. Take it as you wish though. You're all very easy to fool.
Who cares what you count? The man is still dead. The man still had access to a gun. The man was still highly trained with gun and he couldn't prevent his own death.
In fact, this is the lunacy of conservative gun nut thinking. Stranger killings are the minority. The majority of people are killed by someone they know. Maybe even a friend.
Pointing out the ignorance of the childish dumb NRA talking point that the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun.... is that many of the so called bad guys are friends are family are mothers, fathers, daughters, brothers that kill those close to them.
Who cares what you count? The man is still dead. The man still had access to a gun. The man was still highly trained with gun and he couldn't prevent his own death.
In fact, this is the lunacy of conservative gun nut thinking. Stranger killings are the minority. The majority of people are killed by someone they know. Maybe even a friend.
Pointing out the ignorance of the childish dumb NRA talking point that the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun.... is that many of the so called bad guys are friends are family are mothers, fathers, daughters, brothers that kill those close to them.
Um yeah right, so no one needs a firearm now. Jesus, when is this madness going to stop. Being unarmed won't help you from some gangbanger who decides to knock you off in the back parking lot at 10 PM when the mall closes. It also won't help you when someone decides to kick in your front door at 2 AM.
AND NO...this is not routine. Another soldier shoots a Navy SEAL in the back at a local shooting range? Come on, that is a first and will never happen again. Probably because homicide needs to look further. I don't buy he snapped for one second. That's bull****!
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