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Would you say that if the owner of this private clinic absolutely could not bring themselves to serve _____ they should shut it down? If so, then the net result is the same - _____s have nowhere within 150 miles to go.
In the OPs example, the baker was operating in a state that forbade the type of discrimination in which he was engaging. So if he could not bear to sell a cake with 2 brides on top, his only recourse would be to pack his pans and move to Texas. In that case, the lovely ladies would have to find another baker anyway. Or, I suppose the state police could come in and make him bake a cake at gunpoint.
I haven't read anywhere that this couple wanted 2 brides on top of the cake. Where did you get that from?
and smokers smoke,,,but they have lost all their rights
Huh??
I fail to see the connection, unless cigarette shops will only sell to smokers... and AFAIK they'll sell to anyone with money over age 18. Heck, you don't even have to be of age at some shops.
I'm a smoker, by the way, and don't feel like I've lost "all my rights." I can still smoke at home, in my car, outside (some places), and nobody has prohibited me from buying cigarettes. My "rights" are only restricted when I'm imposing upon other people, which is why I can't smoke in a restaurant or indoor/public space. Oh, I guess there is a connection after all.
First off, baking and selling a cake is not a religious act, it's a commercial act. The 1st Amendment doesn't apply here at all.
Secondly, what about people like Warren Jeffs? His religious beliefs dictate that men should have sex with newly pubescent girls. Are child rape laws therefore unconstitutional?
everything In some people's lives is religious. I am forbidden to do many things in business.
including selling things to people who will use it to violate something forbidden.
and no government will ever force me to violate Judaism not the Romans, the Spanish, the Nazis, the Soviets, or the homo US(S)A.
homos are turning this country in to the new Evil Empire.
I haven't read anywhere that this couple wanted 2 brides on top of the cake. Where did you get that from?
Yeah, I don't recall reading that either... do any straight couples still use those cheesy "bride and groom" toppers? Not at any weddings I've attended in recent years! Most cakes, if anything, will just have flowers or ribbon on top: https://www.google.com/search?q=wedd...w=1787&bih=842
I agree, but no one is having those views forced on them. No one is saying this baker must accept or condone homosexuality. All that is being said is that if he is going to run a business in that state he will not be allowed to discriminate against certain protected classes, no matter what his beliefs may be.
My religion forbids me to bake a wedding cake for a "wedding" between 2 members of the same sex.
and if you would hold a gun to my head and shoot me if I wouldn't I still wouldn't.
and if you say I can't open my business you are now proving that you are the true bigot.
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I don't see anyone saying that. Do you?
yes I see every single homo activist say that. (their to stupid (or lying) to actualy understand what their saying though)
1. many religions prohibit helping a homo "wedding" in any way.
2. If all businesses would be forced to help a a homo "wedding" then no person who followed those religions could ever go into those businesses.
3. you are then truly making laws to discriminate against religious people.
4. people who make laws to discriminate against religious people are bigots.
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I just wanted to quote this for emphasis on the stupidity of this statement.
if your not smart enough to understand it, it's not my fault.
everything In some people's lives is religious. I am forbidden to do many things in business.
including selling things to people who will use it to violate something forbidden.
and no government will ever force me to violate Judaism not the Romans, the Spanish, the Nazis, the Soviets, or the homo US(S)A.
homos are turning this country in to the new Evil Empire.
But you are quite happy to use the internet which is used to propagate porn, and many immoral acts and dissiminate anti religion, no doubt anti Jewish, pro Gay, Pro Choice, Pro Terrorism etc... Surely the Internet is one of the most efficient evil tools of immorality there is....
You are essentially condoning what it does by participating and indulging in an activity fuelled by gross immorality and non religiousity. You line the pockets of an industry which is let's face it about as immoral as they come. Even two "Homos" don't quite have the power the Internet has, nor its impact on society and its moral values.
I believe some ultra Orthodox Jews are having a campaign to rid homes of TVs and computers. But even that is not enough. If you are using something ( even for business use) which actually oils the wheels of an industry so immoral then perhaps you should simply destroy the harbingers of that immorality.
How can you even condemn two "Homos" wanting a Wedding cake when you refuse to turn your back on and reject something which is far more damaging to your beliefs and its values.... By allowing this industry to thrive ever more with your usage you are endangering your own morality. You will always have "dirty" hands until you walk away and stop being part of this process. Simple.
Those people you find so immoral have been given a stronger, louder and clearer voice than ever ( and will be bringing people to their causes, filling their coffers) because of people like YOU. People who pick and choose which evil to take part in. Which immorality to bolster or not.
Anything which you do not reject which disseminates anti religion values you basically condone simply by doing nothing about and being passive. Claiming "I don't use the Internet/TV for those things" sadly does not cut the mustard as an argument. Because with your unspoken support and passivity you are whether you like it or not part of this process of immorality.... And contribute financially as well one way or another.
The Evil Empire might be a little closer to Home than you think. Time to chuck the TV and Computer out and stop using the Internet.
because to apply it to this case is unconstitutional.
PS this person followed the law he didn't deny them services because of their sexual orientation but for their evil lifestyle. Even if their attracted to members of the same sex they don't have to act on it.
From what I read, he denied them a cake because he believes marriage is a religious institution between a woman and man ordained by god. The denial had nothing to do with their 'gayness' itself or their 'lifestyle.'
Other business owners in Oregon who believe as he does should think of creative ways to beat the law. Maybe a sign that says, 'We are pleased to offer wedding cakes [or whatever] to any happy couple who's marriage is legally recognized by the great people of Oregon.'
Since it appears that what you nutjobs on the left are attempting to force upon society is tolerance for all with regard to all these protected classes... why don't you petition the United Nations and demand that they pass a law banning all discrimination worldwide. No racism, no sexism, no bigotry toward other religions, no homophobia, no intolerance of any kind.
After all, since you think you can mandate a person accept that which, for whatever reason, they do not find acceptable or moral... why couldn't this be accomplished worldwide? Would it be because the world would tell you arrogant, self absorbed, Kum Ba Ya singing nutjobs to go pound sand?
You are insane if you think you have the right, knowledge, wisdom or authority to dictate what an individual or group may or may not discriminate against. Even GOD discriminated against homosexuality, but in your completely delusional minds, you know better than GOD.
Unfrickenbelievable!!!
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