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Old 06-03-2013, 08:45 AM
 
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Right wingers aren't allowed to practice discrimination in business matters no matter how much they believe in storybook characters out of bronze-age myth. Treating people as second-class citizens is not acceptable. Jesus doesn't matter. Whether or not the bigots think no one is getting hurt doesn't matter.
The 'Jesus' described in the Gospels wouldn't treat gay and lesbian people poorly like these anti-gay crusaders do. However, he might have pitched a fit at some people who call themselves "Christians" yet act like the Pharisees he called Hypocrites and a pit of vipers in Matthew 23.

 
Old 06-03-2013, 08:52 AM
 
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Its his business. He can operate as he sees fit. He can refuse business to whoever he wants.

Lesbos can go take a flying f%/" at a rolling donut.
 
Old 06-03-2013, 09:00 AM
 
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SODOMY is clearly defined as an abomination that is going to come into judgment if not repented of and forsaken covered by the atoning blood of Jesus Christ. Romans 1 clearly identifies a man with a man or a woman with a woman as UNNATURAL and defined as "dishonoring their own bodies".
SIGH.

Paul was referring to heterosexual gentiles who had known his God then reverted back to their previous pagan religions worshipping fertility gods and goddesses. He wrote the letter from 1st century Corinth- where there were many temples to pagan fertility gods and goddesses.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
Notice that first, these men and women Paul were referring to were having 'degrading' idolatrous sex with each other (males with females - Verse 24) and worshipping idols made in the likeness of mankind, birds, reptiles etc. (This would only be happening in the temples dedicated to fertility gods and goddesses in Corinth where Paul wrote the letter, otherwise the whole idolatry thing doesn't make sense)

24 Therefore God gave them over in the desires of their hearts to impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. (males with females)
25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator
So it was BECAUSE these men and women were having degrading idolatrous sex with each other (ie women with men) while worshipping pagan idols that:
26 Because of this, God gave them over to dishonorable passions. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another.

Anyone who thinks this letter is about gay and lesbian people hasn't given it any thought at all and has their prejudice well in place. These were heterosexual people engaged in idolatrous sex acts with each other while worshipping their old pagan gods. Then the men 'exchanged' their 'use' of women and penetrated each other, and the women exchanged their 'natural' sex for sex 'contrary' to their nature- which was anal sex with the men (according to early church fathers like St Augustine).
St Augustine (354–430 C.E.)
"But if one has relations even with one’s wife in a part of the body which was not made for begetting children, such relations are against nature and indecent. In fact, the same apostle earlier said the same thing about the women, For their women exchanged natural relations for those which are against nature (Rom 1:26).

Augustine, Marriage and Desire 20.35 (trans. Roland Teske; ed. John E Rotelle; Answer to the Pelagians, II; New York: New City Press, 1990), 75-76.

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Old 06-03-2013, 09:03 AM
 
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Its his business. He can operate as he sees fit. He can refuse business to whoever he wants.

Lesbos can go take a flying f%/" at a rolling donut.

You don't know how "the law" works, do you?


I'm guessing you didn't get very far in school?
 
Old 06-03-2013, 09:05 AM
 
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It is a SIN not a "racial" issue. It is genetic - we are ALL fallen creatures from Adam's lineage. It is Choice - we can either choose to submit and obey or oppose and rebel.

No one builds a house with a bucket of screws. They use a screw and a bolt. Man and woman were MADE for each other. NATURE teaches this as well.

You do NOT see a male cow with a male cow or a female pig with a female pig. Animals are not sinners, MAN is.

If we do not see this in nature among the animals the evolutionists would have us believe we are descended from, why do we see a man with a man in the human race?

Because it is a SIN.

NOT a RACE.

It is not an issue of discrimination as it is a choice. A grotesque and shameful choice at that.
Who is talking about "race"? What does race have to do with sexual orientation?

You are incorrect about animals. Many animals and birds form same-gender pairings.

Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity


Sexual orientation is not a 'choice'. Where do you get these odd ideas?


American Academy of Pediatrics
“…the current literature and most scholars in the field state that one’s sexual orientation is not a choice; that is, individuals do not choose to be homosexual or heterosexual.”
Royal College of Psychiatrists
"Despite almost a century of psychoanalytic and psychological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heterosexual or homosexual orientation. It would appear that sexual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment."


 
Old 06-03-2013, 09:07 AM
 
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You don't know how "the law" works, do you?


I'm guessing you didn't get very far in school?
Further than you.

He has the right to refuse business.
 
Old 06-03-2013, 09:10 AM
 
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SODOMY is clearly defined as an abomination that is going to come into judgment if not repented of and forsaken covered by the atoning blood of Jesus Christ. Romans 1 clearly identifies a man with a man or a woman with a woman as UNNATURAL and defined as "dishonoring their own bodies".

It is a SIN not a "racial" issue. It is genetic - we are ALL fallen creatures from Adam's lineage. It is Choice - we can either choose to submit and obey or oppose and rebel.

No one builds a house with a bucket of screws. They use a screw and a bolt. Man and woman were MADE for each other. NATURE teaches this as well.

You do NOT see a male cow with a male cow or a female pig with a female pig. Animals are not sinners, MAN is.

If we do not see this in nature among the animals the evolutionists would have us believe we are descended from, why do we see a man with a man in the human race?

Because it is a SIN.

NOT a RACE.

It is not an issue of discrimination as it is a choice. A grotesque and shameful choice at that.
Sin is a religious concept, and has no relevancy outside YOUR personal beliefs. If you think homosexuality is a sin, don't be a homosexual. Think eating pork is a sin, don't eat pork. Think wearing mixed fibers is a sin, don't wear mixed fibers.

A screw and a bolt are the same thing.

There are MANY examples of homosexual behaviors in nature among animals. Some male black swans pair bond for life.
 
Old 06-03-2013, 09:12 AM
 
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Its his business. He can operate as he sees fit. He can refuse business to whoever he wants.

Lesbos can go take a flying f%/" at a rolling donut.
He can not discriminate based on sexual orientation according to state law.
 
Old 06-03-2013, 09:12 AM
 
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Further than you.

He has the right to refuse business.

Highly unlikely.


For starters, there is a law in Oregon, which states:

The Oregon Equality Act 2007 outlaws discrimination by an individual or a business against people based on their sexual orientation and gender identity.



So no, you do not have the "right" to refuse business to anyone if the reason is because of race, religion, etc.... and in Oregon, SEXUALITY.


"Sweet Cakes" Mr. Klein, with his purple and pink it-girl motif, can obey the law, or he can shut down.
 
Old 06-03-2013, 09:13 AM
 
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Further than you.

He has the right to refuse business.
Not according to state law.
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