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And you still haven't demonstrated that Obama wants that. Please provide evidence that he wants the people collectively, under the supervision of the government, to take control of the means of production and distribution.
But you can't, because he doesn't.
I'm relieved to know that you know the mind of Obama.
And you who are arguing that we're not headed into communism are mighty mum on the Texas school curriculum requiring a course in making communist flags and what not. Our children are being indoctrinated!
The Worldwide Advance of Communism
[Editor's note: This chapter has been edited for brevity. Details about cold war espionage and arms control agreements were omitted. The original text is available at the Author's website.]
Communism, at its peak, controlled 14,000,000 square miles of territory, or about 1/4 of the inhabited land in the world, and close to 1,500,000,000 people, or about a third of the world's population.
East Germany, Hungary, North Korea, Czechoslovakia (1948)
China (1949)
Tibet (1951)
North Vietnam (1954)
Guinea (1958)
Cuba (1960)
Libya, South Yemen (1969)
Guyana (1970)
Benin, Burma (1974)
Laos, South Vietnam, Madagascar (1975)
Angola, Somolia (1976)
Seychelles, Mozambique, Ethiopia (1977)
Cambodia, Grenada, Congo (1979)
Afghanistan (1980)
The Communist conquest has claimed well over 145,300,000 lives: Soviet Union (1917-59), 66,700,000; Soviet Union (1959-78), 5,000,000; Red China, 64,000,000; Katyn Massacre, 14,242; expelled Germans (1945-46), 2,923,700; Cambodia (1975-78), 2,500,000; repression in eastern Europe, 500,000; Malaya, Burma, Philippines, Cuba, Black Africa, Latin and Central America, 3,600,000.
On January 10, 1963, the Congressional Record published a list of 45 goals of the Communists, which included further disarmament and establishing the United Nations as a one-world government with an independent military force.
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Soviet Rhetoric Against the West In the 1920's...
"First, we will take eastern Europe, then the masses of Asia, then we will encircle the United States which will be the last bastion of capitalism. We will not have to attack. It will fall into our hands like an overripe fruit."
"The communists in Western Europe and America must ... strive everywhere to awaken the masses, and draw them into the struggle ... It is difficult to do this in Western Europe and America, but it can be done and must be done. Propaganda, agitation and organization inside the armed movements and among the oppressed must be coordinated in a new way."
In 1919, a pamphlet called Communist Rules for Revolution said:
Get the youth corrupted, get them away from religion. Get them interested in sex ... Destroy their ruggedness ...
Get control of all publicity ... Divide the people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matters ... Destroy the people's faith in their leaders ...
Always preach true democracy, but seize power as fact and use [it as] ruthlessly as possible ...
Encourage government extravagance ... Destroy its credit ... Incite unnecessary strikes and civil disobedience ... Cause the registration of firearms on some pretext, with a view to confiscate them leaving the population helpless.
In 1921, Lenin came up with the idea of spreading communism through trade unions, youth organizations, cooperatives, and other associations. In the 1930's...
In 1930, Dimitri Manvilski, a professor at the Lenin School of Political Warfare in Moscow, said:
"War to the hilt between communism and capitalism is inevitable. Today, of course, we are not strong enough to attack. Our time will come in thirty or forty years. To win, we shall need the element of surprise. The western world will have to be put to sleep. So we shall begin by launching the most spectacular peace movement on record. There shall be electrifying overtures and unheard of concessions. The capitalist countries, stupid and decadent, will rejoice to cooperate with their own destruction. They will leap at another chance to be friends. As soon as their guard is down, we shall smash them with our clenched fist."
William C. Bullitt, our first Ambassador to Russia, wrote:
"...it must be recognized the Communists are agents of a foreign power whose aim is not only to destroy the institutions and liberties of our country, but also to kill millions of Americans."
In the 1940's...
Stalin said during meetings of the Kremlin's Inner Circle in 1948:
"Comrades, it is imperative that we create an entirely new type of fighting force... The objective of this [undercover] fighting force is to speed up the development of revolutionary situations... to bring about a breakdown of the capitalist system. This will lead to the revolutionary overthrow of governments, and the establishment of Soviet states.""...As soon as they undertake the undercover subverter work, they will sever all contact with the Communist Party... and dedicate themselves to working for the Party by indirect methods. They will be called upon to join and operate within organizations and societies that are bourgeois and opposed to communism ... They will create the impression they are opposed to the ideology of communism ... "
In the 1950's...
In 1955, Khrushchev made this statement to the Warsaw Pact countries:
"We must realize that we cannot coexist eternally, for a long time. One of us must go to his grave. We do not want to go to the grave. They (America) do not want to go to their grave, either. So what must be done? We must push them to the grave."
In July, 1957, he said:
"...I can prophecy that your grandchildren in America will live under socialism. And please do not be afraid of that. Your grandchildren will ... not understand how their grandparents did not understand the progressive nature of a Socialist society."
In the 1960's...
Khrushchev said, while banging his shoe on a table at the United Nations:
"Our firm conviction is that sooner or later Capitalism will give way to Socialism. Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you."
On July 19, 1962, he said: "The United States will eventually fly the Communist red flag ... The American people will hoist it themselves."
In a 1961 speech by FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, he said: "We are at war with the Communists, and the sooner every red-blooded American realizes this, the safer we will be." He later wrote:
"Communists want to control everything: where you live, where you work, what you are paid, what you think ... how your children are educated, what you may not and must read and write ... Remember, always, that 'it could happen here' and that there are thousands of people in this country now working in secret to make it happen here."
In the 1970's...
According to the June 26, 1974 edition of the Congressional Record, Soviet President Leonid Brezhnev is quoted as saying:
"We Communists have got to string along with the capitalists for awhile. We need their credits, their agriculture, and their technology. But we are going to continue massive military programs and by the middle 1980's we will be in a position to return to a much more aggressive foreign policy designed to gain the upper hand in our relationship with the West."
In a 1973 speech to the Warsaw Pact leaders in Prague, Brezhnev said:
"Trust us, comrades, for by 1985, as a consequence of what we are now achieving with detente, we will have achieved most of our objectives in Western Europe. We will have consolidated our position. We will have improved our economy. And a decisive shift in the correlation of forces will be such that come 1985, we will be able to exert our will wherever we need to."
In the 1980's...
During the 1980's, statements coming out of Russia continued to be of a threatening nature. Janos Kadar, Hungary's Communist leader, told 5,000 delegates to the Soviet Party Congress: "There is no force on earth that can stop the Soviet Union's advance and the triumph of Communism." Anatoly P. Alexandrov, President of the Soviet Union's Academy of Sciences and one of Russia's top scientists, said: "The Soviet Union was never as strong as it is today." (page top)
Communism in the U.S.A.Organized communism began in the United States when Socialist Eugene V. Debs ran for the Presidency in 1900, 1904, and 1908. When he ran in 1912, he garnered over 6% of the vote. The U.S. Communist Party was organized in 1919, having sprung from ideas gleaned from books and pamphlets smuggled in from Europe, and nurtured by members of the Illuminati. They joined the Comintern, which is the world Communist organization run by the Soviet Union.
U.S. Communist Party members pledged "to defend the Soviet Union ... (and) to remain at all times a vigilant and firm defender of the Leninist line of the Party, the only line that insures the triumph of Soviet power in the U.S."
To aid the local parties, there were hundreds of 'front' organizations established to defend Soviet policies and attack its opponents. They functioned through the media, local Communist parties, and other small organizations.
In his book The Conscience of a Conservative, Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater wrote:
"The Kremlin's hope is that they will persuade the American people to forget the ugly aspects of Soviet life, and the danger that the Soviet system poses to American freedom ... [their aim] is to make us tolerant of Communism ... They know that if Americans regard the Soviet Union as a dangerous implacable enemy, Communism will not be able to conquer the world."
In his last book, With No Apologies, Goldwater wrote:
"The Russians are determined to conquer the world. They will employ force, murder, lies, flattery, subversion, bribery, extortion, and treachery. Everything they stand for and believe in is a contradiction of our understandings of the nature of men. Their artful use of propaganda has anesthetized the free world. Our will to resist is being steadily eroded..."
Disarming AmericaThe Soviet Union organized and financed the World Peace Council, a well-known 'freeze' group, to influence public opinion and government policy in non-Communist countries. Their international headquarters was in Helsinki, Finland, and local chapters had been established in 100 countries. The American branch was called the U.S. Peace Council, and had offices in Washington, DC and New York City,
On September 20, 1961, the United States and the Soviet Union announced an agreement for general disarmament that included the disbanding of military forces, dismantling of military bases, ceasing weapon production, and eliminating all weapon stockpiles. However, no treaty was signed, because they could never agree on all points.
President John F. Kennedy had promised to close the missile gap in order to reestablish our military strength, but his Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara, wanted to allow our defense program to decline until Russia was equal to us.
The Strategic Arms Limitation Talks (SALT) originated from the discussions between President Lyndon B. Johnson and Soviet Prime Minister Aleksei N. Kosygin in 1967. These conferences developed into the SALT I Agreement, which was signed by President Richard M. Nixon and Soviet Premier Leonid I. Brezhnev in 1972. By 1972, Russia had a 3-2 advantage in the number of intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBM's). SALT I was ratified by an 88-2 vote in the Senate.
SALT II was a treaty that resulted from a second round of talks, and was signed by President Jimmy Carter and Leonid Brezhnev on June 18, 1979, and was to remain in effect until 1985. The Senate never ratified SALT II, because the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan; however, the U.S. adhered to it [anyway], but not Russia.
In the book An Analysis of SALT II compiled by Congress, it states:
"In short, the Soviets will soon have a 'first strike capability' authorized by SALT. And when that capability is in hand, Soviet leaders may logically presume that the U.S. would not retaliate after a first strike ... Soviet leaders could reason that a U.S. President would not order a retaliation, knowing that his few surviving weapons could not annihilate Soviet society; and that a counterstrike by Soviet second-strike weapons would, in fact, utterly destroy the U.S. as a viable society ... The fact is that after a first strike, the Soviets would have more missiles and bombers in reserve for the second strike than the U.S. had to start with."
On December 8, 1987, Russian leader Mikhail Gorbachev and President Ronald Reagan signed the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty, which was to eliminate all medium and short range nuclear missiles. It was ratified, with conditions, by the Senate, on May 27, 1988.
At the time of SALT, out of 27 Summit Agreements with Russia they had broken or cheated on all but one, and that includes the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty of 1962, the ABM Treaty of 1972, SALT I, and SALT II. They cheated on the INF Treaty of 1989, and did not fully comply with the Conventional Forces in Europe (CFE) Treaty of 1991. Many wars or confrontations since SALT I had been started by or influenced by Russia in one way or another. They have been fought by their proxies, satellite allies, or agents; countries protected by friendship treaties; or they have used their veto power in the United Nations Security Council. (page top)
Soviet Military and Civil Defense PreparationsThe Soviets have outspent us in a display of armament and mobilization that had not occurred since Hitler's preparations for World War II. According to 1991 statistics, Russia's defense spending was 8% (down from 11-13% in the late 1970's) of their Gross National Product, while ours was only 5.7% (down from 6.1% in the late 1970's).
Retired Air Force General G.J. Keegan, Jr. said:
"The Soviets have deployed and developed the most intensive system of nuclear shelter for its military leadership, its civilian leadership, its industrial factory workers, and its civilian population ever deployed or built in history."
New housing construction included mandatory underground shelters. They have built 1,575 huge underground command posts, each the size of the White House, embedded in the earth up to 400 feet deep, and covered by 75 feet of reinforced concrete. They have protected water, power generators, and communications systems. The Pentagon estimated that each post cost about $500 million. In the event of a nuclear exchange, it is believed that a large part of the Russian population would survive.
Meanwhile, the United States Government has literally abandoned its Civil Defense program in favor of the "Continuity of Government" plan developed by the Federal Emergency Management Administration (FEMA). There are said to be as many as 96 underground facilities throughout Maryland, West Virginia, Virginia, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina that will house government officials in case of an impending nuclear incident. Nevertheless, if a nuclear exchange were to occur today, the best estimates are that 160,000,000 Americans [ie, civilians] would die, but only 5,000,000 Russians. (page top)
Mikhail Gorbachev and the Restructuring of the Soviet Union (1985-91)Mikhail Gorbachev, the youngest member of the Soviet Politburo, was chosen to be the General Secretary of the Communist Party. In an effort to appear that they were embracing democracy, Gorbachev introduced 'glasnost' ('openness') and 'perestroika' ('economic restructuring') in the Soviet Union in 1985, and the Russian people began to experience a degree of freedom never before seen.
He participated in four Summit meetings with Reagan, and in 1987 initiated a program of reforms to bring democracy to their political process. The reforms were denounced by some Eastern bloc countries and old-line communists. A decline in the economy, the worst since World War II, developed an atmosphere of unrest.
This is the same Gorbachev, who made the following statement, which was printed by Pravda on December 11, 1984:
"In the struggle for peace and social progress the Communist Party of the Soviet Union pursues a consistent policy of rallying the forces of the international communist and working-class movement in every possible way. We uphold the historical justness of the great ideas of Marxism-Leninism, and along with all the revolutionary and peace loving forces of mankind, stand for social progress, and peace and security for all nations. This is what should determine the resolute nature of our propaganda."
"In our work and worries, we are motivated by those Leninist ideals and noble endeavors and goals which mobilized the workers of Russian seven decades ago to fight for the new and happy world of Socialism. Perestroika (restructuring) is a continuation of the October Revolution."
He also said:
"Gentlemen, Comrades, do not be concerned about all you hear about glasnost and perestroika and democracy in the coming years. These are primarily for outward consumption. There will be no significant internal change within the Soviet Union, other than for cosmetic purposes. Our purpose is to disarm the Americans and let them fall asleep."
On another occasion he said: "We are moving toward a new world, the world of Communism. We shall never turn off that road."
In February, 1989, after a futile eight year guerrilla war against [Moslem] rebels in Afghanistan, the Soviets pulled their troops out of the country. The Communist super-power had lost a lot of the prestige that years of propaganda had built up, and the embarrassing defeat signaled the beginning of the end.
"The concept, the main idea, lies in the fact that we want to give a new lease on life to Socialism through perestroika and to reveal the potential of the socialist system." "...To achieve this, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union returns to the origins and principles of the Bolshevik Revolution, to the Leninist ideas about the construction of a new society."
In June, 1990, he said:
"I am now, just as I've always been, a convinced Communist. It's useless to deny the enormous and unique contribution of Marx, Engels and Lenin to the history of social thought and to modern civilization as a whole."
And thanks for the history lesson, but I used to teach Russian history, and I have first-hand experience of Communism -- I spent several months in the USSR in 1985, learning Russian.
The US under Obama bears absolutely no resemblance to the old Soviet Union. Obama is no Gorbachev. Nor is he a Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, etc.
I'm still waiting for you to prove, in Obama's own words (and not those of Dinesh D'Souza or whichever right-wing propagandist you're now frantically copying from) that Obama wants the people -- guided by the government -- to take over all means of production and distribution.
Ten times I've asked, and ten times you've failed to answer.
Well, do you care about the 20 small children who were slaughtered in Connecticut, or are you more concerned with your Second Amendment rights?
After all, they weren't your kids.
Our rights are priceless and there have been over a million American lives sacrificed to secure those rights. Do you mourn those who died to secure those second amendment rights, or just the 20 kids, through which left wing politicians are trying to rob citizens of thier rights?
Over a million US patriots for rights, or 20 kids used as pawns to take away those rights?
Wake up. NO ONE should have to present an argument or reason as to why our rights should be respected. This has already been determined through several wars and the rule of law.
If you are a fascist and are interested in revoking constitutional rights, then you are probably a self described liberal. Now why in the world does anyone calling themselves a "liberal" (rather than fascist) devote themselves to removing/limiting Constitutional rights?
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"First, we will take eastern Europe, then the masses of Asia, then we will encircle the United States which will be the last bastion of capitalism. We will not have to attack. It will fall into our hands like an overripe fruit."
"The communists in Western Europe and America must ... strive everywhere to awaken the masses, and draw them into the struggle ... It is difficult to do this in Western Europe and America, but it can be done and must be done. Propaganda, agitation and organization inside the armed movements and among the oppressed must be coordinated in a new way."
In 1919, a pamphlet called Communist Rules for Revolution said:
Get the youth corrupted, get them away from religion. Get them interested in sex ... Destroy their ruggedness ...
Get control of all publicity ... Divide the people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matters ... Destroy the people's faith in their leaders ...
Always preach true democracy, but seize power as fact and use [it as] ruthlessly as possible ...
Encourage government extravagance ... Destroy its credit ... Incite unnecessary strikes and civil disobedience ... Cause the registration of firearms on some pretext, with a view to confiscate them leaving the population helpless.
In 1921, Lenin came up with the idea of spreading communism through trade unions, youth organizations, cooperatives, and other associations.
In the 1930's...
In 1930, Dimitri Manvilski, a professor at the Lenin School of Political Warfare in Moscow, said:
"War to the hilt between communism and capitalism is inevitable. Today, of course, we are not strong enough to attack. Our time will come in thirty or forty years. To win, we shall need the element of surprise. The western world will have to be put to sleep. So we shall begin by launching the most spectacular peace movement on record. There shall be electrifying overtures and unheard of concessions. The capitalist countries, stupid and decadent, will rejoice to cooperate with their own destruction. They will leap at another chance to be friends. As soon as their guard is down, we shall smash them with our clenched fist."
[more copied & pasted rhetoric totally unrelated to the topic at hand]
Now, please provide evidence that Obama wants the people collectively, under the supervision of the government, to take control of the means of production and distribution.
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