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Old 02-05-2013, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Lincoln, NE (via SW Virginia)
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Take away the kids and charge the parents with child abuse.
It's that simple yet we don't even speak of it. Not even brought up as a topic for debate.
I think that would be a great idea for a lot of parents. The issue is that funding for social welfare and DSS is low as hell. At the Buchanan Co, VA DSS we didn't even have enough money for extra office supplies. Social Workers brough copy paper from home.
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Old 02-05-2013, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Yes. Bearing uncared for children is an income factory for irresponsible welfare-dependent adults. They get more benefits and the kids still go hungry.
And what's the answer each and every time ? Why give them more money.
Yes, give more money to the people that aren't feeding their kids.

That's always been our easy out.."more money".

All of society's problems can be solved if we throw more money at it.
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Old 02-05-2013, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Lincoln, NE (via SW Virginia)
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yep eugentics...the progressive liberal thing to do

No...spelling correctly is the progressive liberal thing to do.

Eugenics.
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Old 02-05-2013, 08:57 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The issue is that funding for social welfare and DSS is low as hell. At the Buchanan Co, VA DSS we didn't even have enough money for extra office supplies. Social Workers brough copy paper from home.
That's because the exponential growth of the welfare-dependent class is putting extreme demands on resources.

Incentivize bearing children by providing additional welfare benefits for each additional child and you get a birth rate 3 times higher than everyone else, thereby exponentially increasing the demand for welfare services. Who's surprised by that?
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Lincoln, NE (via SW Virginia)
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That's because the exponential growth of the welfare-dependent class is putting extreme demands on resources.

Incentivize bearing children by providing additional welfare benefits for each additional child and you get a birth rate 3 times higher than everyone else, thereby exponentially increasing the demand for welfare services. Who's surprised by that?
We are reforming the system and spending less than we have historically...the system needs reform but gutting expenditures isn't the answer.


"In July 2012, the Department of Health and Human Services released a memo notifying states that they are able to apply for a waiver for the work requirements of the TANF program, but only if states were also able to find credible ways to increase employment by 20%. The waiver would allow states to provide assistance without having to enforce the work component of the program, which currently states that 50 percent of a state's TANF caseload must meet work requirements. The Obama administration stated that the change was made in order to allow more flexibility in how individual states operate their welfare programs. According to Peter Edelman, the director of the Georgetown Center on Poverty, Inequality and Public Policy, the waivers would reduce restrictions that increase the difficulty for states in helping TANF applicants find jobs. The change has been questioned by Republicans including Dave Camp, chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee and Orrin Hatch, who requested further details from HHS over concerns that the memo would remove the main focus of PRWORA. Mitt Romney attacked the measure, saying that Obama was "gutting welfare reform". However, independent fact checker PolitiFact debunked the claim, stating it was "not accurate" and "inflames old resentments," giving it a "Pants on Fire" rating."
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:03 AM
 
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Kids are hungry for a lot of reasons but those reasons aren't the kids themselves fault. A lot of them have deadbeat parents who ***** themselves our for foodstamps or exchange the stamps they've gotten for meth....I grew up in Central Appalachia in the poorest county in the state of Virginia...I've seen things most people would prefer to never see. I interned at social services during the summers (I intially wanted to do social work) and I couldn't handle it. You never (ever) leave work feeling good.

I don't have all the answers as to what needs to be done but I know first hand that funding is NOT reliable in the slightest, a lot of parents are hideously unqualified to have children, resources are stretched beyond belief, and the kids are the victims.
You do not make sense here. Yes, funding is not reliable for kids but it isn't because it isn't there. If there is a kid hungry anywhere its for no reason outside of having irresponsible parents.

We then have to decide what we do about that.
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:04 AM
 
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-Bring our troops home
-Close most overseas bases
-Adjust revenue's to clinton era levels
-End the drug war
-Close the carried interest tax deduction
-DON'T impose austerity measures until the economy has recovered
-Reduce defense spending to 3% of the GDP which will still be higher than any nation in the world


That would be a better start.
How does any of the above, and many would amoun to the begining of the end for the USA, insure tha parents take care of their responsibility to feed their offspring?

Answer, They don't.
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I think that would be a great idea for a lot of parents. The issue is that funding for social welfare and DSS is low as hell. At the Buchanan Co, VA DSS we didn't even have enough money for extra office supplies. Social Workers brough copy paper from home.
You have a growing underclass and that is not helped with expanded programs.
Yet the government doesn't keep it's staff at a ratio to effectively deal with it.

I see it in the schools. Less people are doing more. You can see the stress and frustration it's creating.
How much longer can it go on ?
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Lincoln, NE (via SW Virginia)
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How does any of the above, and many would amoun to the begining of the end for the USA, insure tha parents take care of their responsibility to feed their offspring?

Answer, They don't.

They free up funding to ensure the stability of our food system and for implementation of more social workers in rural/remote areas to work more closely with our most at-risk kids.

I'm curious...how do those amoun(t) to the beginning of the end for the USA?
Answer, They don't....
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:10 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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We are reforming the system and spending less than we have historically...the system needs reform but gutting expenditures isn't the answer.
Neither is incentivizing a birth rate 3 times higher than everyone else's. All that does is exponentially grow the welfare-dependent class. It's NOT sustainable.
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