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Old 02-05-2013, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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If a President can kill you with no judge involved, and away from the battlefield, what can't he do?

Chilling legal memo from Obama DOJ justifies assassination of US citizens | Glenn Greenwald | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

By comparison, the Constitution specifically lays out that you must have two witnesses in court two accuse you of the crime of treason in order to be convicted. Obama will kill you on his say so alone.
This is an outstanding thing, especially from Greenwald. It is so seriously true and we must try to get our people more aware of just what they, not just he, are doing. It would be interesting to see anything that Holder and crew wrote to defend this action. We won't be seeing anything like that and it certainly won't be because this government is so transparent. I wonder just how much unconstitutional stuff they have kept hidden all this time.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Huh? I'm liberal and Tex is conservative and we both agree with principle over party.
pad, too many are blinded by R vs D and can't see the trees through the forest.
You and I are agreeing here in principle and content regardless of the party.

This is one issue that should unite both sides; it's wrong for a President to have a hit list of US citizens.
Abroad today but what about tomorrow ?

The left will defend Obama because party means everything to them.
But they forget..one day a Republican will be President and that Presidential Hit List will be his to manage.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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What are US presidents supposed to do when faced with US citizens plotting attacks on us overseas? Issue a warrant? Depend on foreign governments who are probably protecting them in the first place? Send in Mad Dog the Bounty Hunter?
That's just it..he was accused. What did his 16 year old son do that he got murdered too by us ?

If the CIA/Seals can go in and do what they do then they could have went and got this guy since he's so high up on the list of AQ leaders. Since when does AQ let US citizens get so high in their organization ?
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:41 AM
 
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Anyone that thinks the CIA hasn't killed some US citizens over the years is kidding themselves.

On a war footing, rules get bent.
What's the difference between the old KGB and our FBI?

Ruby Ridge comes to mind.

Waco, too!
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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pad, too many are blinded by R vs D and can't see the trees through the forest.
You and I are agreeing here in principle and content regardless of the party.

This is one issue that should unite both sides; it's wrong for a President to have a hit list of US citizens.
Abroad today but what about tomorrow ?

The left will defend Obama because party means everything to them.
But they forget..one day a Republican will be President and that Presidential Hit List will be his to manage.
I am just hoping I don't make that list, for whatever reason, before that Republican gets to the office. I will be just as much against him for things like that as I am against these "Democrats" for it. However, I don't think of these people as Democrats but only as progressives who have taken over the party.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:43 AM
 
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Yes, we are taking about two different things here. I likely think he is involved in AQ as well, but I want the rule of law followed, especially by political elites. These constitutional principles were put in for a reason, because what you are asking for we lead to abuse, and eventually tyranny. These pissant peasants are not enough reason to throw away our rule of law, unless you've bought into this fear BS put out by the government and media.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Florida
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If a President can kill you with no judge involved, and away from the battlefield, what can't he do?

Chilling legal memo from Obama DOJ justifies assassination of US citizens | Glenn Greenwald | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

By comparison, the Constitution specifically lays out that you must have two witnesses in court two accuse you of the crime of treason in order to be convicted. Obama will kill you on his say so alone.
The FBI killed the hostage taker yesterday. You can argue that it is not right, but I think the authorities need to have their options when it comes to defending the lives of the innocent.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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You're seriously confused and have no idea of the issues involved here. I'll let some other saint try to clue you in.


You are 100% right in this post. I can't rep you for it because of doing it before in this thread but you deserve one for this post.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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It is illegal, and he should be ashamed of himself.

Could you imagine the howls that would be heard had Bush done this?
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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So? Why would that be needed in the memo?
Why not a memo ?
He invaded Libya via a memo to Congress didn't he ?
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