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Old 02-05-2013, 01:39 PM
 
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^^ This.

And for those interested.
Where did you get that?
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:44 PM
 
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Where did you get that?
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It's using 2007 data though.

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Old 02-05-2013, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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We have a victim today who is an offender tomorrow. It's a vicious circle.

Read more: Most Shooters In Chicago Don't Face Charges - My Chicago - DNAinfo.com Chicago

It doesn't say there are no witnesses. It says the witnesses are also trash and won't talk because they'll be committing crimes in the future themselves.
Most gun homicides are between gang members, a live by the sword/dies by the sword thing. Most occur in gang infested areas, particularily around fluid borders between gang turf. When an innocent, usually a young teen, is in the wrong place at the wrong time, it's often a drive-bye shoot or a shot in the back. It is becoming increasingly common for Chicago to offer a financial reward to anyone with information leading to a conviction. Thousands of calls come in from all over the U.S. looking to cash in. Most lead nowhere.

Wittnesses know the laws of the street and have a strong preference to not become the next victim. Or, they are protecting someone, a son, a neighbor's son, a brother, a BF, whatever.

Most of these homicides do not happen in white areas of the city. The shooter would stick out. People would not protect them. The shooter stands a better chance if caught by the Police instead of their own.

NYC was able to put a serious dent in their gang violence with controversial search and frisk laws. Other cities, including Chicago, seem to prefer to give killers more right than their victims.
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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It's using 2007 data though.
Several cities, including Houston, had Chicago beat back in 2007. I have no recollection that anyone was hammering on Houston being one of the gun capitals of the U.S., back in 2007.

Chicago is getting more attention right now, predominately because of gun politics.

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Old 02-05-2013, 01:57 PM
 
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So Chicago's violence is the vanguard of which to measure our cities. Talk about setting the bar low.
More about Mobile, AL

5. Mobile, Alabama | 24/7 Wall St.: Cities Where Violent Crime Is Soaring | Comcast.net

Thanks for proving my point though
Another interesting this about this list is that it has stats from 2010, and it includes cities that don't have large Black populations, such as Redding,CA;Odessa,TX;Pueblo,CO. And something else. Since 2010, Mobile's crime rate has dropped: http://blog.al.com/live/2013/01/mobi..._second_b.html
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Old 02-05-2013, 02:02 PM
 
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It's using 2007 data though.
And since 2007, the murder rates for Mobile have dropped.

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Old 02-05-2013, 02:06 PM
 
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Most gun homicides are between gang members, a live by the sword/dies by the sword thing. Most occur in gang infested areas, particularily around fluid borders between gang turf. When an innocent, usually a young teen, is in the wrong place at the wrong time, it's often a drive-bye shoot or a shot in the back. It is becoming increasingly common for Chicago to offer a financial reward to anyone with information leading to a conviction. Thousands of calls come in from all over the U.S. looking to cash in. Most lead nowhere.

Wittnesses know the laws of the street and have a strong preference to not become the next victim. Or, they are protecting someone, a son, a neighbor's son, a brother, a BF, whatever.

Most of these homicides do not happen in white areas of the city. The shooter would stick out. People would not protect them. The shooter stands a better chance if caught by the Police instead of their own.

NYC was able to put a serious dent in their gang violence with controversial search and frisk laws. Other cities, including Chicago, seem to prefer to give killers more right than their victims.
The thing about stop-and-frisk is that in many cases people who aren't affiliated with gangs might be randomly searched.

Gang members seek anonymity, and the residents in gang territories seek to survive, which ironically, creates a dangerous situation. I've wondered how effective the military might be on solving the gang problem.
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Old 02-05-2013, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Several cities, including Houston, had Chicago beat back in 2007. I have no recollection that anyone was hammering on Houston being one of the gun capitals of the U.S., back in 2007.

Chicago is getting more attention right now, predominately because of gun politics.
Those pesky New Orleans Katrina evacuees caused Houston's rate to spike. Wherever ghetto Blacks go murder and mayhem are sure to follow.
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The last quarter-century has seen significant change in the racial composition of the county's population. In 1980, Clayton county's population was 150,357 — 91% white and 9% minority, [1] while in 2006 the population was approximately 271,240 — 20% white and 80% minority. Many of these minority groups lived in Clayton County's housing projects that were built around the time these minority groups moved to Clayton County; crime rose to staggering levels around these housing projects where minority groups lived. Since then many of the housing projects have been redeveloped due to high crime and residents of such projects were given vouchers to live in more suburban areas which subsequently caused a late century example of White Flight.[5]
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