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Old 02-05-2013, 12:22 PM
 
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Here let's put the money where our mouth is. I'll challenge anybody who thinks 10 rounds is enough in a life and death situation.

I may need fine tune this a little but in a nutshell here's the scenario and for each hit you score, I'll give you $1,000 cash.

1. Typical home living room setting with sofa, TV, furniture etc. that can be used as cover.
2. A human size target is 17 feet away, typically room distance.
3. You firstly need to dash 100 yards as fast as you can. This is to ensure your heart rate and adrenaline are at elevated levels just like in a self-defense situation.
4. Immediately after the running, you start to shoot at the target which is moving in random direction at 25 miles a hour in and out of cover just like in a self-defense situation.
5. You need to shoot as fast as you can to hit the target.
6. I, playing as an accomplice, will shoot paint ball into your unmasked face at the same time.

Weapon:
You: semi-auto, 10 shots, just like any law abiding citizen would have.
Me: full-auto unlimited shots, just like any self-respecting criminal would have.

Rules:
1. You can't shoot me.
2. You lose if you get hit by me.
3. You have 10 seconds to neutralize the target.
4. You need to hit at least twice to neutralize the target.

Now, I need to think what kind of penalty you need to take so that you don't want to lose the challenge... In the real life, your wife and daughter would be tortured, raped and killed.
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Clear Lake Area
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1. What percentage of intruders use a full-auto with unlimited rounds?

2. The pro-gun crowd keep claiming that mag capacity limits are unnecessary because the time required for a magazine change is insignificant (ignore what happened in Arizona) and thus a shooter will do as much damage with six 10-round magazines, as he would with two 30 round magazines. So why wouldn't a law abiding citizens have multiple 10 round magazines if it was absolutely necessary for defense?
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:38 PM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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Here let's put the money where our mouth is. I'll challenge anybody who thinks 10 rounds is enough in a life and death situation.

I may need fine tune this a little but in a nutshell here's the scenario and for each hit you score, I'll give you $1,000 cash.

1. Typical home living room setting with sofa, TV, furniture etc. that can be used as cover.
2. A human size target is 17 feet away, typically room distance.
3. You firstly need to dash 100 yards as fast as you can. This is to ensure your heart rate and adrenaline are at elevated levels just like in a self-defense situation.
4. Immediately after the running, you start to shoot at the target which is moving in random direction at 25 miles a hour in and out of cover just like in a self-defense situation.
5. You need to shoot as fast as you can to hit the target.
6. I, playing as an accomplice, will shoot paint ball into your unmasked face at the same time.

Weapon:
You: semi-auto, 10 shots, just like any law abiding citizen would have.
Me: full-auto unlimited shots, just like any self-respecting criminal would have.

Rules:
1. You can't shoot me.
2. You lose if you get hit by me.
3. You have 10 seconds to neutralize the target.
4. You need to hit at least twice to neutralize the target.

Now, I need to think what kind of penalty you need to take so that you don't want to lose the challenge... In the real life, your wife and daughter would be tortured, raped and killed.
Absurd. Extremely far fetched.
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:40 PM
 
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Absurd. Extremely far fetched.
Explain please. :-)
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:41 PM
 
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Originally Posted by lifeexplorer View Post
Here let's put the money where our mouth is. I'll challenge anybody who thinks 10 rounds is enough in a life and death situation.

I may need fine tune this a little but in a nutshell here's the scenario and for each hit you score, I'll give you $1,000 cash.

1. Typical home living room setting with sofa, TV, furniture etc. that can be used as cover.
2. A human size target is 17 feet away, typically room distance.
3. You firstly need to dash 100 yards as fast as you can. This is to ensure your heart rate and adrenaline are at elevated levels just like in a self-defense situation.
4. Immediately after the running, you start to shoot at the target which is moving in random direction at 25 miles a hour in and out of cover just like in a self-defense situation.
5. You need to shoot as fast as you can to hit the target.
6. I, playing as an accomplice, will shoot paint ball into your unmasked face at the same time.

Weapon:
You: semi-auto, 10 shots, just like any law abiding citizen would have.
Me: full-auto unlimited shots, just like any self-respecting criminal would have.

Rules:
1. You can't shoot me.
2. You lose if you get hit by me.
3. You have 10 seconds to neutralize the target.
4. You need to hit at least twice to neutralize the target.

Now, I need to think what kind of penalty you need to take so that you don't want to lose the challenge... In the real life, your wife and daughter would be tortured, raped and killed.
I'll do it blindfolded if you double the cash. Triple if you include pitbulls chasing me.

FYI, only Olympic runners can do 100 yard sprints in 10 seconds.
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Originally Posted by lifeexplorer View Post
Here let's put the money where our mouth is. I'll challenge anybody who thinks 10 rounds is enough in a life and death situation.

I may need fine tune this a little but in a nutshell here's the scenario and for each hit you score, I'll give you $1,000 cash.

1. Typical home living room setting with sofa, TV, furniture etc. that can be used as cover.
2. A human size target is 17 feet away, typically room distance.
3. You firstly need to dash 100 yards as fast as you can. This is to ensure your heart rate and adrenaline are at elevated levels just like in a self-defense situation.
4. Immediately after the running, you start to shoot at the target which is moving in random direction at 25 miles a hour in and out of cover just like in a self-defense situation.
5. You need to shoot as fast as you can to hit the target.
6. I, playing as an accomplice, will shoot paint ball into your unmasked face at the same time.

Weapon:
You: semi-auto, 10 shots, just like any law abiding citizen would have.
Me: full-auto unlimited shots, just like any self-respecting criminal would have.

Rules:
1. You can't shoot me.
2. You lose if you get hit by me.
3. You have 10 seconds to neutralize the target.
4. You need to hit at least twice to neutralize the target.

Now, I need to think what kind of penalty you need to take so that you don't want to lose the challenge... In the real life, your wife and daughter would be tortured, raped and killed.
I'm telling you when I was 10, my Tommy Gun never ran out of bullets. What is the problem with yours?
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:42 PM
 
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Absurd. Extremely far fetched.
So is the BS the left anti gun people spew about guns....
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:42 PM
 
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1. What percentage of intruders use a full-auto with unlimited rounds?

2. The pro-gun crowd keep claiming that mag capacity limits are unnecessary because the time required for a magazine change is insignificant (ignore what happened in Arizona) and thus a shooter will do as much damage with six 10-round magazines, as he would with two 30 round magazines. So why wouldn't a law abiding citizens have multiple 10 round magazines if it was absolutely necessary for defense?
1. Does it matter? I am playing a criminal. I have access to full auto, you don't!
2. Because a mass murderer has time to change magazines as nobody would be shooting back while a law abiding citizen doesn't.
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:43 PM
 
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I'll do it blindfolded if you double the cash. Triple if you include pitbulls chasing me.

FYI, only Olympic runners can do 100 yard sprints in 10 seconds.
Take the bet then. :-)

You need to read more carefully. You run first, then have 10 secs to shoot.
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:46 PM
 
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1. What percentage of intruders use a full-auto with unlimited rounds?

2. The pro-gun crowd keep claiming that mag capacity limits are unnecessary because the time required for a magazine change is insignificant (ignore what happened in Arizona) and thus a shooter will do as much damage with six 10-round magazines, as he would with two 30 round magazines. So why wouldn't a law abiding citizens have multiple 10 round magazines if it was absolutely necessary for defense?
Your kidding right ? So are you just for criminals and against law abiding citizens ? Wouldn't you want the most capacity to defend yourself and your family ? With your thinking maybe we should limit LEO's to one 10 round mag, and one handgun. No BUG's or tazers. Think about it, a LEO carries a primary handgun, with spare mags, a back up handgun , a tazer and a baton. Why do you think so many options ?
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