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Old 02-05-2013, 03:06 PM
 
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In the world of "winning" at any cost, it seems that Gerry Mandering is being used. . .


The people on this board argue about the "marxist" leader, or republicans and anti-this or that. . .but it seems like we are basically allowing democracy to be co-opted. The vote to be stolen. Your representative appointed by the "party leader" and not the people.

Now this is what I point to and say the future is bleak. . .and getting bleaker.

Canada anyone?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/op...012.html?_r=1&
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Old 02-05-2013, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Eugenius
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Canada, yep, sign me up!

We should redistrict along the county lines and leave them alone. Good grief, how is one supposed to compare voting trends over a period of time when the lines are constantly being redrawn? And aren't these the same people that complain how the lines of success and failure in life are being redrawn all the time? Yet they are doing the exact same thing they complain about. But it's okay because it's in their own interests. Hypocrites!
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Old 02-05-2013, 03:31 PM
 
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It's a serious problem which both parties have abused. We should have national rules against gerrymandering like the ones California recently adopted. They use a mathematical model to make districts as compact as possible (no more long snaking districts where politicians pick their voters instead of voters picking the politician), where ever possible one geographic area has to be in the same district (so a whole town instead of half of a town, use geographic boundaries like rivers or mountain tops), and most importantly demographics or political affiliation may not be used in any way and attempting to do so is a criminal offense.
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Old 02-05-2013, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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In the world of "winning" at any cost, it seems that Gerry Mandering is being used. . .


The people on this board argue about the "marxist" leader, or republicans and anti-this or that. . .but it seems like we are basically allowing democracy to be co-opted. The vote to be stolen. Your representative appointed by the "party leader" and not the people.

Now this is what I point to and say the future is bleak. . .and getting bleaker.

Canada anyone?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/op...012.html?_r=1&
Yup, never used before in the history of the US... until now.
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:16 PM
 
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the most gerrymander district in the country is in NYC.

Nadler's seat
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:21 PM
 
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Cheating and taking power in opposition to the will of the people is one of the things Republicans do best.
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:40 PM
 
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Cheating and taking power in opposition to the will of the people is one of the things Republicans do best.
And your evidence for that statement is what?

It certainly isn't gerrymandering, since both parties do that. So what is it?
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:45 PM
 
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Yup, never used before in the history of the US... until now.
Gerrymandering use and frequency since the supreme court (with no incentive to preserve democracy I would guess) upheld the crooked Texas plan in 2006.

Don't pretend this wasn't a recent development.
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Old 02-05-2013, 08:17 PM
 
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the most gerrymander district in the country is in NYC.

Nadler's seat
Don't be absurd. Nadler's district is NY-10, shown below. It's not even the most gerrymandered district in New York (for that matter, it's not even the second or third -- NY-07, NY-08, NY-10 and NY-14 are all obviously more so).


And none of those NY districts which are obviously more gerrymandered than Nadler's district are even in the top 10 nationally.
Modern Gerrymanders: 10 Most Contorted Congressional Districts?MAPS - NationalJournal.com

Your claim is complete nonsense.
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Old 02-05-2013, 08:22 PM
 
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And your evidence for that statement is what?

It certainly isn't gerrymandering, since both parties do that. So what is it?
Yeah, it's gerrymandering. Just look at the 2012 House elections (you know, what the article was about). I could also go into Florida 2000, Katherine Harris, etc.
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