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Old 02-07-2013, 10:30 PM
 
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The truth of the matter is, that citizens who want our current immigration laws enforced, are anything but "irrational." In fact, citizens who understand the implications of having our immigration laws even more relaxed than they already are, seem to be more understanding of the effects it has on our economy. It is a known fact that illegal immigrants come here, and cost U.S. citizens billions in educating their children for free, providing them with free health care, deplete subsidies, while increasing demand for housing. They also drive down wages, while increasing unemployment rates and have a high rate of incarceration, which is also very expensive. The state of California spends billions on this issue alone.
Actually, that is not true. Actual data, as opposed to emotion-based fearful thinking, show that immigrants have an overall positive effect on the economy:

Immigrants’ productivity raises the U.S. Gross Domestic Product (GDP) by an estimated $37 billion per year

More than a quarter of U.S. technology and engineering businesses launched between 1995 and 2005 had a foreign-born founder

In Silicon Valley, more than half of new tech start-up companies were founded by foreignborn owners

In 2005, companies founded by immigrants produced $52 billion in sales and employed 450,000 workers


Creating a "Brain Gain" for U.S. Employers: The Role of Immigration | Brookings Institution
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:57 AM
 
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I have nothing personal against blacks. I'm just a numbers guy. Young black males are about 6% of the population yet commit 50% of the violent crime. I will live in neighborhoods that contain that demographic. Asian neighborhoods are typically safer than white neighborhoods. That's a higher level of self-preservation than living in a white neighborhood. That is not racist, that is reality. Nature doesn't have a "politically correct" filter.
Well I'm not a numbers person. I look at the individual first. Through my own experience being physically attacked both by White males(The only time I was shot, or came close to it was by a White male), and by Black males, the numbers aren't going to matter to me.

And young Black males are more likely to BE murder victims than anyone else. That means my chances are higher. And most likely, it comes at the hands of another Black male. According to your manifesto, Black males should avoid each other. How come I'm not avoiding ANYONE? I'm aware of statistics. However, I'm more concerned about the individual.

I consider it personal because when someone singles ME out because of my race, it is ME who gets affected. Until it stops affecting ME personally, I am going to take it personal.

Essentially, what you are saying is that in your mind, the individual doesn't count.
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:43 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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If we left the children in charge we'd be eating candy and pizza for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. We need dreamers, but the grownups need to be in charge.
The problem is that we don't have many grownups around these days. This generation is spun, and they have no concept of reality. I wish they did, but they do not.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:07 AM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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The problem is that we don't have many grownups around these days. This generation is spun, and they have no concept of reality. I wish they did, but they do not.
Well the liberal creed is if it feels good it must be right. How could anything possibly go wrong with that logic?
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:14 AM
 
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And yet studies show that Republicans are happier with life. Not just here in America, but Conservatives across Europe as well.
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Old 02-08-2013, 05:39 AM
 
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And yet studies show that Republicans are happier with life. Not just here in America, but Conservatives across Europe as well.
Which studies?
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Old 02-08-2013, 07:10 AM
 
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Common sense would tell me that people that need constant validation with these ridiculous studies are quite fearful. I would also think that they would be smart enough to realize if they would quit wasting so much money on this tripe they might be able to lower tuition.

For example, there was a thread here a couple days ago showing that when a state moves toward gay marriage they win the super bowl. It really is about as accurate as a study devised toward a predestined result. I guess it is believed if they run these like minded studies over and over, getting the same predetermined outcome that one will validate the other.
Ha Ha "Ridiculous Studies" that is so funny! You mean studies that actually use science and non biased research? Unlike the conservative studies that said Romney was heading for a massive victory?
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Old 02-08-2013, 07:48 AM
 
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So if you're paranoid and afraid somebody who owns a gun is going to shoot you and you want them banned, that makes you a conservative? That doesn't seem right..
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Old 02-08-2013, 09:41 AM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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I find it hard to believe that anyone is more fearful than a liberal who has to bring a spare pair of panties to school just in case a child shows up with a pink water pistol.
I find it hard to believe that anyone is more fearful than a conservative who relies on his guns and his Depends to defend himself against the government elected by his friends, neighbors and fellow citizens, and insists that children should in fact be armed in order to defend themselves from their fellow terrified gun nuts.

At least our fears have already come true. Mass killings at least once a month ... when was the last time the black helicopters came for your guns? And yet first graders must be shredded in order to preserve your toys and your fantasies ...
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Old 02-08-2013, 09:47 AM
 
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And yet studies show that Republicans are happier with life. Not just here in America, but Conservatives across Europe as well.
Well, you do live in a fantasy world. And it also makes sense that convincing yourself that you're always right simply because of your religion, skin color, gender, sexual orientation and/or class status would make you quite happy indeed.
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