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Old 02-07-2013, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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When you think about it, age refers to a person's body.

I thought that people had a right to choose what to do with their own body.

Shouldn't that include deciding how old it is?
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:35 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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When you think about it, age refers to a person's body.

I thought that people had a right to choose what to do with their own body.

Shouldn't that include deciding how old it is?
No, because declaring your birth year to be different from the real one isn't "doing anything" with your body at all. It's just plain old fraud.
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:36 PM
 
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No, because declaring your birth year to be different from the real one isn't "doing anything" with your body at all. It's just plain old fraud.
Why does one's birth year even matter?
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:37 PM
 
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Why does one's birth year even matter?
It matters a great deal in some respects, e.g. eligibility for the Presidency. Ditto one's birthplace. Or do you think people should be able to falsify that too?
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:40 PM
 
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It matters a great deal in some respects, e.g. eligibility for the Presidency. Ditto one's birthplace.

Right?
True, but the constitution can always be amended, if the people see a need for it.

I see no reason to amend presidential eligibility requirements - all has gone well with the ones in effect.

I am referring to other requirements for proof of age, other than those that are part of the constitution, which every president (1-44) has abided by.
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:42 PM
 
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You asked me why one's birth year matters. I told you. Now you're moving the goalposts.

Once again: if this issue is so important to you, take a stand! Write the DMV and ask for your birth year to be changed. What's stopping you?
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Sure it isn't.

But since you asked, the existence of actual transgender-from-birth people (hermaphrodites) invalidates your contention that gender and biological age are both mutable. Gender is, in rare cases. Age never is.

There isn't, never has been, and never will be any ambiguity about a person's birthday, unless you're a hard-core anti-choice fanatic, in which case you might argue that your age should be measured from the moment of conception, as some Hindus do.
It is ? Link showing a man who changed to a woman and has ovaries and had childbirth ?
Otherwise no, it's not really mutable. You can change the outside but the inside will still be male.
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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You asked me why one's birth year matters. I told you. Now you're moving the goalposts.

Once again: if this issue is so important to you, take a stand! Write the DMV and ask for your birth year to be changed. What's stopping you?
Moving the goalposts? How so?

You mentioned the constitution, which is much different than statutory law.

So, would you please give a specific example of a statutory law in which proof of age is a neccesary component?
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:48 PM
 
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Moving the goalposts? How so?

You mentioned the constitution, which is much different than statutory law.

So, would you please give a specific example of a statutory law in which proof of age is a neccesary component?
Drinking. Driving. Collecting Social Security. Etc.
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Old 02-07-2013, 04:50 PM
 
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Drinking. Driving. Collecting Social Security. Etc.
Why should any of those have age requirements?

The equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment applies here.
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