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I "took what they wrote down, with holy reverence"?
To no one's surprise, when the liberals are caught in another diversion, they start lying about it.
Scraping the bottom of the barrel, as usual.
So you want to waste time arguing over semantics? In your thread, you argue that "What the founding fathers think is right" is more important to think about than "What is right". Your viewpoint is precisely what I mean by "reverence", and that's what I'm disagreeing with here.
You can stop patting yourself on the back for burning me by feigning ignorance over what I meant by a word and actually contribute something to the discussion here.
Specifically, why should we take everything they thought and wrote down with holy reverence, as opposed to learning from them in the process of making a government made for today?
Over the last 237 years, they've been elevated to a level somewhere between Ronald Reagan and Jesus Christ. I refuse to believe that the best and only solutions to the problem of government were made by a group of enlightened super-men from a past age of civilization. Neither they nor their contemporaries thought nearly as high of their ideas as many people do today.
I've been trying to say the same thing. Jefferson felt the Constitution should be reviewed every 19 years because "the dead should not govern".
I think the ultimate answer is this is the government they fought for and instituted. We can always change our laws, even our form of government and we have a process to do so, but until we do we should pay attention to the form and structure that the FF set forth. It doesn't make any sense to forget where we started from, what the thought process was, or why things are the way they are. There are numerous writings available providing detailed thought on how the gov should function and the intent behind the founder's actions.
Specifically, why should we take everything they thought and wrote down with holy reverence, as opposed to learning from them in the process of making a government made for today?
"Government made for today?" What is that? A return to failed socialist dictatorships? It would seem so. That seems to be what the left embraces.
The greatest advance in the history of mankind was the Constitution of the United States and government by the consent of the governed.
The ideas and principles of self government embodied in the Constitution are timeless. They will never be outdated. They are as relevant today as they were the day they were penned.
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Over the last 237 years, they've been elevated to a level somewhere between Ronald Reagan and Jesus Christ. I refuse to believe that the best and only solutions to the problem of government were made by a group of enlightened super-men from a past age of civilization. Neither they nor their contemporaries thought nearly as high of their ideas as many people do today.
It has worked well since it was written.... been fixed when needed (see repeal of prohibition and outlawing slavery)
The reason why the country has been in the crapper since the turn of the century is because the last several presidents have found ways around the constitution
Would love to know SPECIFICALLY.... you would say we should change about the constitution......
Specifically, why should we take everything they thought and wrote down with holy reverence, as opposed to learning from them in the process of making a government made for today?
Over the last 237 years, they've been elevated to a level somewhere between Ronald Reagan and Jesus Christ. I refuse to believe that the best and only solutions to the problem of government were made by a group of enlightened super-men from a past age of civilization. Neither they nor their contemporaries thought nearly as high of their ideas as many people do today.
They had a unique experience-set to draw from and were truly men of great wisdom and insight. Nobody currently in the political realm comes close.
Specifically, why should we take everything they thought and wrote down with holy reverence, as opposed to learning from them in the process of making a government made for today?
Over the last 237 years, they've been elevated to a level somewhere between Ronald Reagan and Jesus Christ. I refuse to believe that the best and only solutions to the problem of government were made by a group of enlightened super-men from a past age of civilization. Neither they nor their contemporaries thought nearly as high of their ideas as many people do today.
You are missing the point. Whether they be reverenced or not does not add up to a hill of beans. The FACT of the matter is that the document they wrote, the US constitution is the LAW of the land. Now I must admit that this document is in so many ways vague it is very open to misrepresentation and abuse. Personally I think it's long past time the country drafted a new constitution that reflects the REALITIES of how the country is governed today. There has really been NO CONSTITUTIONAL rule of law since Lincoln invaded the south and forced centralized federal power sown the throats of the several states. I'm quite sure the drafters of the constitution would not even recognize the USA of today with something that could arise out of that constitution they wrote.
Specifically, why should we take everything they thought and wrote down with holy reverence, as opposed to learning from them in the process of making a government made for today?
Over the last 237 years, they've been elevated to a level somewhere between Ronald Reagan and Jesus Christ. I refuse to believe that the best and only solutions to the problem of government were made by a group of enlightened super-men from a past age of civilization. Neither they nor their contemporaries thought nearly as high of their ideas as many people do today.
Not true. We have 27 amendments. 17 have come after the constitution was ratified. We have made huge changes to our constitution.
The founders realized that the future would hold different things than they could forsee and instituted a way to change things.
Seems like they were thinking ahead doesn't it?
Your problem is not with the founders but rather with the majority of others who disagree with whatever it is you want changed.
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In your thread, you argue that "What the founding fathers think is right" is more important to think about than "What is right". Your viewpoint is precisely what I mean by "reverence", and that's what I'm disagreeing with here.
