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Old 02-08-2013, 08:56 AM
 
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There are positive signs from the last quarter. In the fourth quarter of 2011:

- the private sector added 675,000 jobs making it the second-best quarter since the recession ended in June 2009

- business spending on equipment and software rose 12.4 %

- business sales roles an annualized 4.2 %

- spending on durable goods rose 13.9 %

- prices of new homes continue to rise

So --- not too bad.

How a Nation Got Snookered by a Phony Narrative - Bloomberg
What has happened since 2011?

There is only one thing that is up.....the Dow Jones. What happens when that crashes again?

He's got nothin'!
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:57 AM
 
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So we're adding jobs, but that doesn't mean things are getting better?
Why do you guys on the Left keep saying things like this. Why do you expect to lose 100% of the jobs in the country in order to consider things bad? We are still losing more jobs than adding. I don't know about your calculator, but in the end that means MORE total jobs lost. Here's an example if you are confused:

25k jobs lost - 13k added in Jan. = a loss of 12k jobs
42k jobs lost - 22k added in Feb. = a loss of 20k jobs
18k jobs lost - 8k added in March = a loss of 10k jobs
34k jobs lost - 20k added in April = a loss of 14k jobs

In this scenario the TOTAL lost jobs are 56k lost jobs in 4 months. If that goes on like that for long enough, 100% of the jobs isn't a far stretch.
That's what's going on. I used false numbers and months just to illustrate the point.
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:59 AM
 
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Why do you guys on the Left keep saying things like this. Why do you expect to lose 100% of the jobs in the country in order to consider things bad? We are still losing more jobs than adding. I don't know about your calculator, but in the end that means MORE total jobs lost. Here's an example if you are confused:

25k jobs lost - 13k added in Jan. = a loss of 12k jobs
42k jobs lost - 22k added in Feb. = a loss of 20k jobs
18k jobs lost - 8k added in March = a loss of 10k jobs
34k jobs lost - 20k added in April = a loss of 14k jobs

In this scenario the TOTAL lost jobs are 56k lost jobs in 4 months. If that goes on like that for long enough, 100% of the jobs isn't a far stretch.
That's what's going on. I used false numbers and months just to illustrate the point.
After calculating how many jobs were added with how many were lost, we ended up with 157,000 more jobs than the previous month.

If you can't understand that, then I can't help you.

So I ask again, does adding jobs mean the economy is improving?
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Old 02-08-2013, 09:07 AM
 
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My sentiments as well...I work for a living too and obviously the OP does not respond to facts, he just wants to Obama bash. I have a full time job but still have time to read the data in the links posted. I guess some of us are much better at multi-tasking than others, or maybe some choose to read factual information and others spend their free time listening to some talking head's mindless babble about Obama and the libs then post it on discussion forums.

Op before you respond to my post and say something about deflection, see posts 11 and 15. Numbers don't lie.
Posts 11 and 15 tell me nothing. Its all either old or fabricated news.
Give me something to read that's for real. I'm still not getting anything out of you Obama people except the same old pelosi quotes.
No more deflections, just some real facts please.
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Old 02-08-2013, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Montgomery Village
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It's not OP. The Lefties here are just hoping, that's all. They don't want to have to face the fact that their "king" failed them. I work for a labor dept. and the entire UE division is working constant overtime to keep up with the claims. The numbers reported to the feds from the states are bogus and the Lefties here take the bait.
What I have difficulty understanding: Why do you guys (right leaning folks) keep calling President Obama king, the One, the Annointed One and such?

You do know he's just the President right?
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Old 02-08-2013, 09:20 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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If you compare today with the end of W bush's era, then you know the economy has improved significantly.

If you fail to see it then I can't help you.
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Old 02-08-2013, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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If you compare today with the end of W bush's era, then you know the economy has improved significantly.

If you fail to see it then I can't help you.

And, to really scare the bejesus out of the RWNJs, India has 225 million people between the age of 10 and 19 .... and they are all coming here!!!
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Old 02-08-2013, 09:32 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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And, to really scare the bejesus out of the RWNJs, India has 225 million people between the age of 10 and 19 .... and they are all coming here!!!
And the big guberment is gonna knock down our doors and take away all our guns!!!
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Old 02-08-2013, 09:42 AM
 
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[quote=Winter_Sucks;28150129]After calculating how many jobs were added with how many were lost, we ended up with 157,000 more jobs than the previous month.

If you can't understand that, then I can't help you.

Yeah, your math you are using is so good that the UE rate went UP .1% after adding 157k jobs? How is that even possible?
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Old 02-08-2013, 09:45 AM
 
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After calculating how many jobs were added with how many were lost, we ended up with 157,000 more jobs than the previous month.

If you can't understand that, then I can't help you.

So I ask again, does adding jobs mean the economy is improving?


.................. and the thing you do not understand is that we need 200,000 new jobs per month to "break even" with new entrants into the job market.
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