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Old 02-10-2013, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Minnesota
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Watched Bill Maher. This panelist says "Yeh, if we were in a war". Huh? In what sense are we not in a war? And were "American citizens" untouchable in any previous war? Did generals get told "You can't kill AMERICAN citizens without a jury trial". Honestly, some people seem to be totally losing their bearings. Thanks to Reagan sponsoring Bin Laden, we are now in the real World War III, and there will never be a peace treaty. And if a person wants the protection of his American citizenship, he'd better NEVER be caught saying "Kill as many Americans as possible". Nor should he coach people in how to blow up a US-bound airliner. We don't micromanage military commands in any other war, so it is hilarious that we now have people suggesting we fight this endless war in courts.
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Old 02-10-2013, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Twice as popular as Bush was.
Hardly. At this point in Bushs presidency he had about the same approval rating as Obama. We'll see where Obama is at the end of his term after he's bankrupt the country, we still have 8+ % unemployment, taxes are higher, and government services are even worse.
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Old 02-10-2013, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Minnesota
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Hardly. At this point in Bushs presidency he had about the same approval rating as Obama. We'll see where Obama is at the end of his term after he's bankrupt the country, we still have 8+ % unemployment, taxes are higher, and government services are even worse.
A link for that unemployment rate? Also, you should get some economic education. The growth of this economy isn't a mirage based on credit default swaps and collateralized debt obligations. The reason Bush ended up so low is that he really didn't care what the reality was, he loved illusions. Such as the illusion that socialist Saddam Hussein was conspiring with Islamist crazies. Time ran out on him and all the apparitions that supported his popularity dissolved. Now as to government services, I think we all know that it is the House of Representatives who'll cause that if anyone does. People stupid enough to blame Obama will definitely have a change of heart, but will that number be enough to drag Obama down to Bush levels? If that's what your faith is, you probably think the Rapture is near, too.
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Old 02-10-2013, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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That wasn't the original Obama proposal. He had lots of much better ideas that the House treated as DOA. It has to be frustrating to have gerrymandering lock up government so it can't act, even though the guy in the White House obviously was the majority choice. Once again, MOST people responding to polls are totally blind to the system of government they live under. So they make wild guesses as to why things go the way they go. I can only make my own inferences about the meaning of popularity figures elicited from people who know nothing but the question they were asked. The schools try to train future citizens, but only a few in school actually pay attention and learn. It creates a situation where the value of the data for prediction is uncertain.
More people voted for the Republicans in the House than voted for Obama, so obviously the people didn't give Obama a free pass to do whatever he wants to. The house is doing what they were elected to do, represent the people who voted for them, which includes opposing Obamas bad ideas.

If he wants to accomplish anything he'll have to <gasp> compromise, something completely foreign to democrats in general. And no raising spending 20% when you wanted to raise it 30% is not a compromise. Why not compromise on cutting it 10% instead of cutting it 20%? Because that wouldn't be a compromise in their view.
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Old 02-10-2013, 11:13 AM
 
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That statement would only make sense if they re-elected him. Your guy lost because people like what Obama is doing better. It doesn't take much against a stiff, antiquated party that doesn't make any change for the better. It is what it is...
No, it depends on why they re-elected him. If they still think there's going to be some hope and change when it comes to better jobs for Americans, they're going to eventually open their eyes and see it's not happening.

The only change is that the national debt is going to go up and up and up, it won't be at the low $16.5 trillion point for long.
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Old 02-10-2013, 11:26 AM
 
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I used to look at approval rates during Obama's first term. When they would dip lower it would give me some hope he wouldn't be re-elected. Now I don't see the point of following these numbers. It's too late. No matter how low they might drop we are stuck with him for 4 more years.
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Old 02-10-2013, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Minnesota
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More people voted for the Republicans in the House than voted for Obama, so obviously the people didn't give Obama a free pass to do whatever he wants to. The house is doing what they were elected to do, represent the people who voted for them, which includes opposing Obamas bad ideas.

If he wants to accomplish anything he'll have to <gasp> compromise, something completely foreign to democrats in general. And no raising spending 20% when you wanted to raise it 30% is not a compromise. Why not compromise on cutting it 10% instead of cutting it 20%? Because that wouldn't be a compromise in their view.
Again, another claim with no proof provided. Yawn. Guess that's what is to be expected.
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Old 02-10-2013, 11:58 AM
 
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More people voted for the Republicans in the House than voted for Obama, so obviously the people didn't give Obama a free pass to do whatever he wants to. The house is doing what they were elected to do, represent the people who voted for them, which includes opposing Obamas bad ideas.

If he wants to accomplish anything he'll have to <gasp> compromise, something completely foreign to democrats in general. And no raising spending 20% when you wanted to raise it 30% is not a compromise. Why not compromise on cutting it 10% instead of cutting it 20%? Because that wouldn't be a compromise in their view.
Perfect example of how right wingers live in a fantasy world of their own making.
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Denver Tech Center
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No, it depends on why they re-elected him. If they still think there's going to be some hope and change when it comes to better jobs for Americans, they're going to eventually open their eyes and see it's not happening.

The only change is that the national debt is going to go up and up and up, it won't be at the low $16.5 trillion point for long.
Well he was re-elected so less people think the way you do than not. The stock market is up, housing sales are up, all while we keep programs in place to help people find the means to help themselves.

I believe that if the unemployment rate was 0 and the market was at 30,000, you would still find an excuse to hate Obama. It's just a good thing that you are in the minority and the people have decided in November the person that gives us the best chance to thrive as a country.

USA!!
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:39 PM
 
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Where were all these "disapprovers" in the election?

America deserves Obama if its citizens were dumb enough to re-elect him.
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