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Old 02-09-2013, 09:38 AM
 
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Again, please show where Bush tried to cover up those events and lying about what happened.
Why would he lie and cover up for something that happened so frequently?

Furthermore, you have no proof that Obama or Clinton lied.

The GOP is doing a wonderful job of making themselves look like "asses through assumption", however.

You conservatives really perplex me.

You say this guy is such a moron, yet you expect him to be able to predict outcomes 3000 miles away.
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Old 02-09-2013, 09:48 AM
 
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Benghazi is the Conspiracy Theory That Just Won't Go Away | Mother Jones



It is a good question - what do the RWNJs obsessed with Benghazi think they're accomplishing? Presumably, they're grasping at straws, anything which they can convince themselves will somehow prove the President's illegitimacy or lead to his ouster.

But have they not noticed that no one else cares? Grasping at straws makes some limited sort of sense if one imagines they can someday be made into the bricks which will build an impeachment case, or even merely a case before the tribunal of history. But the Benghazi codswallop is so minor, so tenuous, and so utterly past, that even the very obtuse must now be aware that as a presidential scandal, it's just not going to go.
They think they are getting to the bottom of what happened so that it won't happen again. Requests for security were denied and US citizens were killed by terrorists as a result.

Now as for "presumably", well presumably the fact that Obama is a liberal hero is why people are trying so desperately to declare this a non-event.

If the administration had acted responsibly in this manner there would be no conspiracy theory. It's the fact that they did try to bury it that made it into a conspiracy theory.

It's true that there may be RWNJs out there who think they can leverage this into impeaching the President. However, for us sane conservatives the reason we're interested in it is so that whatever led to it doesn't happen again. Since the liberals were more interested in protecting themselves politically than they were in finding the truth, conservatives were forced to politicize this in order to get any legitimate investigation done.

See, when a US ambassador to a wartorn nation requests security and reports increased enemy activity and those requests are denied and then he gets assassinated, that's a problem. That absolutely should be a scandal.

But the scandal didn't need to be political. If the President had come out on the issue immediately and forthrightly then there would be no political dimension to the scandal. It would simply be a national tragedy and that's it. By pubicly telling lies through Susan Rice that no information was available indicating this event had terrorist connections, then in the presidential debate backtracking and trying to retroactively revise a single generalized sentence into being a declaration that it was terrorism after Biden had one week earlier in his own debate said it wasn't terrorism, the administration made it into a political scandal.

It's a non-event because we have an apathetic public and a media that is sympathetic to the President, not because the event itself doesn't deserve attention.
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:00 AM
 
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They think they are getting to the bottom of what happened so that it won't happen again. Requests for security were denied and US citizens were killed by terrorists as a result.

Now as for "presumably", well presumably the fact that Obama is a liberal hero is why people are trying so desperately to declare this a non-event.

If the administration had acted responsibly in this manner there would be no conspiracy theory. It's the fact that they did try to bury it that made it into a conspiracy theory.

It's true that there may be RWNJs out there who think they can leverage this into impeaching the President. However, for us sane conservatives the reason we're interested in it is so that whatever led to it doesn't happen again. Since the liberals were more interested in protecting themselves politically than they were in finding the truth, conservatives were forced to politicize this in order to get any legitimate investigation done.

See, when a US ambassador to a wartorn nation requests security and reports increased enemy activity and those requests are denied and then he gets assassinated, that's a problem. That absolutely should be a scandal.

But the scandal didn't need to be political. If the President had come out on the issue immediately and forthrightly then there would be no political dimension to the scandal. It would simply be a national tragedy and that's it. By pubicly telling lies through Susan Rice that no information was available indicating this event had terrorist connections, then in the presidential debate backtracking and trying to retroactively revise a single generalized sentence into being a declaration that it was terrorism after Biden had one week earlier in his own debate said it wasn't terrorism, the administration made it into a political scandal.

It's a non-event because we have an apathetic public and a media that is sympathetic to the President, not because the event itself doesn't deserve attention.
Was it a scandal when it happened under Bush's watch? No, and many people remember this. Yet your side completely discounts the fact that everyone under 35 does their own research using multiple outlets.

If one is to do their own research, they quickly learn that many were killed in similar situations under Bush. Suddenly to the average American, it seems very hypocritical to go after Obama for four when conservatives never went after Bush for 90+.

Furthermore, all the outrage happened right before the election. As the story failed to gain traction, conservatives tried to make it a bigger deal. It started to play out like Applebee's Facebook page.

Meanwhile, conservatives continued to call those who didn't care "uninformed" and much worse. You know, the ol' "Those who support Obama are just a bunch of morons" mantra.

During all this, the research of the audience continues.

And guess what they see now? A non-issue being played up by one side for political gain.

What I don't understand is how can Republicans not see it this way?
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:02 AM
 
Location: texas
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New Town: The liberal gun grabber's pet rock.

How obtuse can left wing cretins and idiots be, anyway? In the overall beauty that is 0bama's war and its death toll, New Town is just a handful of dead people.

Nobody cares.
Gun debate---Benghazi

The difference is the the whole country is debating gun law reform. Benghazi was formulated by Republicans and promoted heavily by republicans and rejected by the vast majority of the American people as an Adminstration cover-up to the actions of 9/11/12.
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Where was Bush in 2002 when a bomb exploded outside the American consulate in Karachi Pakistan killing 12?
Where was Bush in 2003 when suicide bombers killed 34 including 8 Americans at a housing compound in Riyadh,Saudi Arabia?
Where was Bush in 2004 when terrorists kidnap and execute Paul Johnson Jr.,an American in Riyadh,Saudi Arabia?
This is just a short list and there`s a good chance that Bush til this day still doesn`t know these things happened.Why no outrage from the righties then?
Where did the embassy ask for extra security from Bush. Where did Bush ignore those requests?
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:17 AM
 
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Where did the embassy ask for extra security from Bush. Where did Bush ignore those requests?
I think he chose to use his ignoring powers for 9/11, no?
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:26 AM
 
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Its Oabam's WMD's. Nothig new democrats have used such things for deacdes for poltical purpose. It was Obama staff that said never let a good crisis go to waste. Remember when Obama was aginst raisig the debt ceiling. What goes around ;comes around as they say.
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:27 AM
 
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Who tried to cover up the Benghazi attack?
My apologies. I meant to say, cover up the real details of the attack and blame it on an obscure video when they knew within hours of the attack that it WAS not because of the video.
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:37 AM
 
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Why would he lie and cover up for something that happened so frequently?

Furthermore, you have no proof that Obama or Clinton lied.

The GOP is doing a wonderful job of making themselves look like "asses through assumption", however.

You conservatives really perplex me.

You say this guy is such a moron, yet you expect him to be able to predict outcomes 3000 miles away.
No wonder you are perplexed. you can't read. "Furthermore, you have no proof that Obama or Clinton lied".

I guess you still think the attack was the result of the video.

Do you even watch ANY of the hearings? You don't have to be 3,000 miles away. The gov't had LIVE feeds during the attack.

It is not just the details of the attack but, the inaction of the Obama admin before the attack and DURING the attack and the lying about the cause of the attack.

People trying to cover for the ineptitude of the O admin perplexes ME.

I challenge you to read this AND WATCH the videos. Then come back with your opinions.

http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/2013/0.../?subscriber=1
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:43 AM
 
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It is hard to imagine anyone being so callous and unconcerned about four Americans

What I find hard to imagine is that Americans can be so callous as to suppose that we can maintain an empire without cost. The rightwing over-reaction can only be explained by supposing that RWNJs are deluded about the nature of empire: if we will continue to maintain national power and prestige abroad, then lives will be lost; usually anonymous ones, sometimes prominent ones, but lives none the less.

Welcome to reality, Nutters: get used to it.


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