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Old 02-11-2013, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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God forbid that a doctor might deign to treat patients based on their need, i.e. because they are sick, rather than based on how much money can be made off of them.
Even doctors have to pay the rent and electricity and their student loans.
You can't force people to work for free or pittance that won't pay their bills.
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Chattanooga, TN
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To get a Nurse Practitioner's license you must have a Master's Degree in Nursing. That's a minimum of 6 years, but realistically about 7 years of school, plus extra training, plus passing certification exams. An NP is just as capable as the majority of doctors in the diagnosis of the vast majority of all medical conditions.

Need an antibiotic for a sinus infection or strep throat? An NP has you covered. Need prescription allergy or blood pressure meds? Got it. Routine pregnancy? No problem.

There will ALWAYS be the need for a Medical Doctor's extra schooling and training, and an NP will never be allowed to do anything other than the most minor of surgeries. But they can drastically reduce the day-to-day load on doctors.

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Old 02-11-2013, 11:19 AM
 
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[quote=LauraC;28190405As the state moves to expand healthcare coverage to millions of Californians under President Obama's healthcare law, it faces a major obstacle: There aren't enough doctors to treat a crush of newly insured patients."[/QUOTE]

Poor people are getting needed treatment. Conservatives recoil in horror.
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:24 AM
 
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Poor people are getting needed treatment. Conservatives recoil in horror.

??

I think NPs and PAs are perfectly fine for routine exams/follow ups. We have one NP in our office and she is great. As a physician, I see an NP when I have had routine follow ups with my oncologist. Does it bother me? Not one bit. I think most NPs and PAs know when to ask for help. My NP bounces things off me all the time.

Like it or not, there will be more and more healthcare extenders used in medicine.
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:31 AM
 
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Poor people are getting needed treatment. Conservatives recoil in horror.
Given the tendency of many people to seek out a hospital/doctor for every runny nose, I do in fact recoil in horror at the toll this takes on our medical system. Who needs a doctor or an NP to diagnose and treat a sniffle?

I certainly don't. So why do they?
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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"We have to pass it before you know what's in it"


...Sigh.
Mao Tse-Pelosi?
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:36 AM
 
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Given the tendency of many people to seek out a hospital/doctor for every runny nose, I do in fact recoil in horror at the toll this takes on our medical system. Who needs a doctor or an NP to diagnose and treat a sniffle?

I certainly don't. So why do they?
That's a nice strawman you built yourself there.
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I don't think some people realize, for numerous issues, that seeing a Nurse Practitioner is no less care than seeing a Doctor. It could be that many Doctors don't want people to realize this.
Some patients actually say the NP takes more time and explains things better.

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What will be the effect on Nurse Practitioners when they get sued for malpractice? Seems to me that there will be either Tort reform or less Nurse Practitioners. Oh, let me see, the politicians are mostly lawyers (even bigger lobby than dotors), nurses lose tough luck!
NPs carry malpractice insurance, as do most RNs.

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You and your insurance company should pay for what you get. Half price for practitioners? I also think you should pay half tuition if graduate students are going to teach your college classes.
I find that remark extremely insulting to nurses in general!
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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That's probably about what it is now when you figure in the employer's share.

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It's everyone in America having an insurance card that they care about.
The actual lack of care due to insufficient trained people hasn't hit their thought process yet.

I had a hard time finding a new primary physician when I moved and I'm not medicare/medicaid either.
Many doctors are just not accepting new patients these days.

I get better and quicker response from my vet (and he makes house calls )
Yes, the horror, that everyone can get health care when they need it.

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Given the tendency of many people to seek out a hospital/doctor for every runny nose, I do in fact recoil in horror at the toll this takes on our medical system. Who needs a doctor or an NP to diagnose and treat a sniffle?

I certainly don't. So why do they?
Please provide some documentation for the bold.
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:43 AM
 
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That's a nice strawman you built yourself there.
No, in fact it is not a strawman. Are you asserting that the system is not overloaded with trivial cases of non-sick people?

Have you ever once spoken to a nurse? Any nurse will tell you that the number of people who legitimately need medical care....especially in (but not limited to) emergency rooms.....is far exceded by those people who merely need a Tylenol, a Band-Aid, or some Benedryl.

Do you consider this an effective use of our medical system?
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