What should happen to U.S. kids of illegal aliens getting deported? (Congress, enemy)
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I think that babies born with at least one parent that is a citizen should get citizenship automatically.
Children born to resident aliens should get resident alien status and upon 18th birthday should be able to take the citizenship route or the moment parents receive it if they get it sooner.
Children born to illegal aliens should not be given citizenship status. However, upon 18th birthday should be given resident alien status. Then as an adult can take the citizenship path on their own. This covers kids here as they didn't violate the law or as in some cases never realized they were illegal in cases where then parents are not caught like some of the highschool students. People will slip through the cracks.
Anyone that is to be deported, and has kids, should have their kids sent with them. But there should be options. Perhaps if the illegal alien has a family member that is a citizen, then the citizen should be able to quickly "adopt" and therefore be responsible for the child. The child then becomes a resident alien. Upon 18th birthday the child can take the citizenship path.
This way anyone that didn't know about their status gets a chance. Anyone that will end up as a productive member of society gets a chance.
Seems fair to me and it covers every situation I can think of and it only applies to children.
Sort of a hypothetical question. Except it's not really hypothetical: this has already happened, many times: Illegal alien parents who produced kids in the U.S., get busted and deported. What happens to their U.S. citizen kids? Especially young kids, barely past toddler stage?
An adult man crosses the border illegally, and lives here. He marries someone, say another illegal alien. They have kids here. The kids are U.S. citizens under the current interpretation of the 14th amendment, since they were born on U.S. soil.
Then the man (and maybe his wife) get busted by ICE, proven to be illegal aliens (which they in fact are), and get listed for deportation.
What happens to the kids?
The kids are U.S. citizens, no doubt about it. ICE has no grounds whatever for deporting them. But the parents are unquestionable illegal aliens, and the law is clear, the parents must be deported. Must the family be broken up? Who says so?
I've hear some people protest that it's inhuman for ICE to separate the kids (who are, say, 3 and 4 years old by now) from their parents. But is it ICE who is actually doing that?
This man knew before he ever came here, that he was breaking U.S. law, and was subject to deportation if caught. And his wife, if she is also an illegal alien, knew the same about herself. And when they were making kids here on U.S. soil and delivering them, they knew the same was still true.
It's not ICE who is planning to split up this family. It is the man and his wife, knowing that he and she might be booted out at any time for breaking U.S. immigration law, and that any kids they produced while living illegally in America, would be citizens NOT subject to deporation. They knew all these things going in. And one must assume they planned for them. (If they didn't plan, whose fault is that?)
So, what did this man and his wife plan would happen to their U.S. kids if and when they (the parents) got busted and deported? What plans did they make about what should happen to the kids? The kids are 3 and 4 years old now. They are U.S. citizens and have the legal right to stay in this country. Of course, they can't stay alone in the house their parents were just deported out of, if there are no other responsible adults around - the kids are just 3 and 4 years old. Of course,the kids also have the legal right to go with their parents back to the parents' home country.
The parents knew going in, that their own deportation was possible and legal... and even just. WHAT DID THEY PLAN FOR THEIR KIDS if that were to happen to them?
Did they plan that those kids would come back to the parents' home country with them? Or did they plan that the kids would stay with other (legal) family, however distantly related, in the U.S.? Or...? What DID these parents plan, for the time when the parents got busted?
Where does anyone get the idea that the government is responsible for the kids?
The parents are responsible for their kids. What have they planned?
Fast forward a couple of months.
Once again we are hearing the same screams from the usual suspects, about "reforming" our immigration laws, as though anything were wrong with them in the first place.
No doubt some of that screaming will be over this same question. If illegal aliens suject to deportation, have kids here who are U.S. citizens by birth, what should happen to those kids when the parents get deported (as they always knoew would happen when they got caught)?
Is the U.S. government "splitting up the family"? Or are the parents doing that, by giving the kids a family guilty of breaking our laws and subject to deportation?
The parents should decide what happens to their kids, not the U.S. government.
Sort of a hypothetical question. Except it's not really hypothetical: this has already happened, many times: Illegal alien parents who produced kids in the U.S., get busted and deported. What happens to their U.S. citizen kids? Especially young kids, barely past toddler stage?
An adult man crosses the border illegally, and lives here. He marries someone, say another illegal alien. They have kids here. The kids are U.S. citizens under the current interpretation of the 14th amendment, since they were born on U.S. soil.
Then the man (and maybe his wife) get busted by ICE, proven to be illegal aliens (which they in fact are), and get listed for deportation.
What happens to the kids?
The kids are U.S. citizens, no doubt about it. ICE has no grounds whatever for deporting them. But the parents are unquestionable illegal aliens, and the law is clear, the parents must be deported. Must the family be broken up? Who says so?
I've hear some people protest that it's inhuman for ICE to separate the kids (who are, say, 3 and 4 years old by now) from their parents. But is it ICE who is actually doing that?
This man knew before he ever came here, that he was breaking U.S. law, and was subject to deportation if caught. And his wife, if she is also an illegal alien, knew the same about herself. And when they were making kids here on U.S. soil and delivering them, they knew the same was still true.
It's not ICE who is planning to split up this family. It is the man and his wife, knowing that he and she might be booted out at any time for breaking U.S. immigration law, and that any kids they produced while living illegally in America, would be citizens NOT subject to deporation. They knew all these things going in. And one must assume they planned for them. (If they didn't plan, whose fault is that?)
So, what did this man and his wife plan would happen to their U.S. kids if and when they (the parents) got busted and deported? What plans did they make about what should happen to the kids? The kids are 3 and 4 years old now. They are U.S. citizens and have the legal right to stay in this country. Of course, they can't stay alone in the house their parents were just deported out of, if there are no other responsible adults around - the kids are just 3 and 4 years old. Of course,the kids also have the legal right to go with their parents back to the parents' home country.
The parents knew going in, that their own deportation was possible and legal... and even just. WHAT DID THEY PLAN FOR THEIR KIDS if that were to happen to them?
Did they plan that those kids would come back to the parents' home country with them? Or did they plan that the kids would stay with other (legal) family, however distantly related, in the U.S.? Or...? What DID these parents plan, for the time when the parents got busted?
Where does anyone get the idea that the government is responsible for the kids?
The parents are responsible for their kids. What have they planned?
I look at it like this...
If I steal a car and sell it to a friend, does the friend get to keep the car because he didn't steal it? Or... do we take the car back from the friend because even though he received the car through a lawful transaction, the car was stolen and so it therefore voids the right to the car by the person who legally purchased it?
Same thing with illegal aliens. You can't commit a crime and then bare fruit from the crime to gain benefit.
Mother and child go home, both are illegal, no citizenship for either.
Quite simple. If the kids are minors they go with the parents. If the kids are adults and born here they get the choice.
The kids going "back home" are dual citizens and can come back when they reach adulthood if they so choose.
Yes, it can be that simple but we don't like "simple" anymore.
If I steal a car and sell it to a friend, does the friend get to keep the car because he didn't steal it? Or... do we take the car back from the friend because even though he received the car through a lawful transaction, the car was stolen and so it therefore voids the right to the car by the person who legally purchased it?
Same thing with illegal aliens. You can't commit a crime and then bare fruit from the crime to gain benefit.
Mother and child go home, both are illegal, no citizenship for either.
I assume you mean that a child born in the USA (and thus a citizen) is expelled from the country and the citizenship is stripped. Bizarre way of thinking, IMO!
Like any other who have kids that are deported they can go with parents or stay with relatives.its parents decision ntil they are of age to be emancipated.
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