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Old 02-13-2013, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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The first four require no explanation. The other four, I explained and you wish to quibble over the word invasions. I decline to argue that point; you can select another word if you like, and give me 8 examples of North Korea doing the same thing since 1953.
You are quibbling over the word. Because what almost everyone in the world thinks when we say "invade" is for a country to cross a border with armed forces in a non-defense action. Germany invading Poland is nothing like Israel hunting for a killer.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:59 AM
 
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Israel invaded Argentina to get Eichmann. That was what I said. Are you disputing this, and if so, on what grounds?
Argentina accused Israel of a violation of its laws. It did not accuse Israel of an invasion.
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Old 02-13-2013, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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You are quibbling over the word. Because what almost everyone in the world thinks when we say "invade" is for a country to cross a border with armed forces in a non-defense action. Germany invading Poland is nothing like Israel hunting for a killer.
"Hunting for a [retired fugitive] killer" is a non-defense action. (That's to leave entirely aside the fact that every belligerent leader and their subordinates in WW2 were killers, and assume Eichmann was the only killer outstanding in 1960.)

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Old 02-13-2013, 01:01 PM
 
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That's one definition of "invade", not the only one. Invade | Define Invade at Dictionary.com

Four are obvious, of course, but Tunisia (1988), Uganda (1976), Argentina (1960) and Iraq (1981) have also all had their territories invaded by Israeli forces, and those were just those I could name off the top of my head.
Using your definition of invade, NK had invaded Japan and South Korea since 1953 and thus you are for some reason applying a different standard of the word to the countries or are unaware of NK's actions over the years. Which is it?
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Old 02-13-2013, 01:09 PM
 
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The first four require no explanation. The other four, I explained and you wish to quibble over the word invasions. I decline to argue that point; you can select another word if you like, and give me 8 examples of North Korea doing the same thing since 1953.
You claimed zero. Here are two. Click on the link for dozens more like when they kidnapped dozens of Japanese over the years including a famous filmaker.

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-January 17, 1968: In an incident known as the Blue House Raid, a 31-man detachment from the Korean People's Army secretly crosses the DMZ on a mission to kill South Korean President Park Chung-hee on January 21, nearly succeeding. The incursion was discovered after South Korean civilians confronted the North Koreans and informed the authorities. After entering Seoul disguised as South Korean soldiers, the North Koreans attempt to enter the Blue House (the official residence of the President of South Korea). The North Koreans are confronted by South Korean police and a firefight ensued. The North Koreans fled Seoul and individually attempted to cross the DMZ back to North Korea. Of the original group of 31 North Koreans, 28 were killed, one was captured, and two are unaccounted for. Additionally, 68 South Koreans were killed and 66 were wounded, the majority of whom were soldiers and police officers. Three American soldiers were also killed and three were wounded.
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October 30, 1968: From October 30 to November 2, 120 to 130 North Korean commandos land on the northeast shore of South Korea, allegedly to establish a base in order to wage a guerrilla war against the South Korean government. A total of 110 to 113 were killed, seven were captured, and 13 escaped. Around 20 South Korean civilians, law enforcement officers, and soldiers were killed
List of border incidents involving North Korea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 02-13-2013, 01:13 PM
 
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NK killed almost none US citizen after 1953 Armistice treaty
.....ignorance is bliss. NK has killed hundreds of US citizens since 1953. Let me guess....Iranian?

List of border incidents involving North Korea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 02-13-2013, 01:26 PM
 
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Israel had the nucs before nuclear proliferation was a the buzz. It's why we don't talk about Pakistan as well - other than "what if those crazy bastards/extremists get ahold of one of them.
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Old 02-13-2013, 03:10 PM
 
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You claimed zero. Here are two. Click on the link for dozens more like when they kidnapped dozens of Japanese over the years including a famous filmaker.
I accept the correction. Israel is ahead only by 8-2.
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Old 02-13-2013, 03:13 PM
 
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I accept the correction. Israel is ahead only by 8-2.
By your definition, every incursion across a border for almost any purpose other than tourism is an invasion.

China and Russia probably have hundreds of spies in the US right now, stealing secrets. Did they invade us?
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:25 AM
 
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I accept the correction. Israel is ahead only by 8-2.
Here are dozens more....

North Korean abductions of Japanese citizens - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here is the director and wife that Kim Il Jong had kidnapped and held for years.

Shin Sang-ok - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Note that many of the kidnappings occurred in european countries and not just Japan and the far east. They've snatched people from a dozen countries or more.
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