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Old 03-05-2013, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2007 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
By that logic, every small business suffered terrible losses and closed down when last time Minimum Wage was raised in 2007???
I don't know what happened with small businesses at that time b/c I didn't work for one, didn't own one and wasn't involved in politics. As such, the next year, I ignorantly voted for Obama.
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Old 03-05-2013, 06:12 PM
 
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That's a non sequitur. There's no indication whatsoever that devalued debt and increased asset values will result in increased employment.
Follow the money. We have a very high debt load. Reduce that debt load by wage inflation (driven by the minimum wage law not loaning out too much money) means we have a lot of unleveraged income. That income can be spent, and it can be loaned against. Spending more money means people have to get paid to handle that money. That getting paid bit is more employment. Asset values going up is the result of people buying and selling assets.






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Someone should remind this guy of Zimbabwe.
That is where we are headed unless we change directions.
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Old 03-05-2013, 06:40 PM
 
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Slave wages is American Dream and everything else is communism? Who is saying everyone should make same? This mindset that make 99% population poor and bankrupt so that 1% can benefit has destroyed this country.
Communism is forced wages.
Slave wages are...


...conditionally forced wages.
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Old 03-05-2013, 06:41 PM
 
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I don't know what happened with small businesses at that time b/c I didn't work for one, didn't own one and wasn't involved in politics. As such, the next year, I ignorantly voted for Obama.
What happened is nothing major happened, just like every time the minimum wage has been raised in the past. Sort of like all the proclamations that there would be mass layoffs if Obama won reelection. Empty blustering and poutrage.
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Old 03-06-2013, 02:49 AM
 
Location: Middle Earth
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What happened is nothing major happened, just like every time the minimum wage has been raised in the past. Sort of like all the proclamations that there would be mass layoffs if Obama won reelection. Empty blustering and poutrage.
Exactly history has proven again and again that when there is a min wage increase there is no great spike in unemployment or prices go up a bunch. The rich and business owners are against it to protect there greed and will make every excuse why it is bad without evidence to back it up.
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Old 03-06-2013, 02:53 AM
 
Location: Middle Earth
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Again with the excuses. There's something called student loans, and something else called business loans for people who need capital to start a business.

Maybe your problem is that you're not very informed on how the world works so you don't know what opportunities there are for you to take advantage of. In that case, you probably shouldn't even be voting.
Student loans great put more people in debt for jobs that may or may not be there in the future. Many college students can not find a job in their field why would you want to put more people to compete for those jobs? If all these businesses open up how are they all gonna succeed with so much competition?
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Old 03-06-2013, 02:56 AM
 
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Student loans great put more people in debt for jobs that may or may not be there in the future. Many college students can not find a job in their field why would you want to put more people to compete for those jobs? If all these businesses open up how are they all gonna succeed with so much competition?
There only needs enough business to open up to get everyone employed...
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Old 03-06-2013, 03:57 AM
 
Location: World
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I don't know what happened with small businesses at that time b/c I didn't work for one, didn't own one and wasn't involved in politics. As such, the next year, I ignorantly voted for Obama.
So even now if there is a slight increase in minimum wage, businesses will not close. Greed spreads such rumour mongering that communism will come and soviet tanks will line everyone into Gulags once poverty/slave wages are increased. The answer to whole discussion is greed. Pople at top want to have millions of people into abject poverty-thats why they brainwash public that disaster will happen once slave wages are improved. Last time minimum wage was increased in 2007, I dont think that all Fast Food /small businesses collpased and this time also nothing will happen. this mentality that we can put millions under poverty so that one guy can buy an extra yacht or island is precisely what has brought US economy into doldrums.
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Old 03-06-2013, 05:06 AM
 
Location: World
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Follow the money. We have a very high debt load. Reduce that debt load by wage inflation (driven by the minimum wage law not loaning out too much money) means we have a lot of unleveraged income. That income can be spent, and it can be loaned against. Spending more money means people have to get paid to handle that money. That getting paid bit is more employment. Asset values going up is the result of people buying and selling assets.






That is where we are headed unless we change directions.
We have a bloated Defense budget. Bush/Cheney useless wars along with tax cuts for super rich have brought huge debt on our country.
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:53 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Follow the money. We have a very high debt load. Reduce that debt load by wage inflation (driven by the minimum wage law not loaning out too much money) means we have a lot of unleveraged income. That income can be spent, and it can be loaned against. Spending more money
That income would also buy a lot less. Ask Zimbabwe or Weimar Germany how inflation worked out for them.
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